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EP 39 Dave Schneider

• Dave Schneider • Episode 51

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A play on the triumph and losses in performance and life.  The Talent Tank podcast will navigate the inner workings of lifestyle, lives, family, teams, careers, programs, and technology in and around the offroad motorsports industry.  What breeds success with your Talent Tank on full, failures when its on empty.  From the journey to the Starting Line to take that Green Flag, on to exploring trials and tribulations on and off the track in pursuit of victorious achievement and the Checkered Flag.

On this episode of The Talent Tank, one of the best things to come from west of the Cascades, the Sheldon Cooper of offroad tech, knowledge, and recollection.  Dave "DSI" Schneider, @dsi4871 the driver of ULTRA4 Racing's #4871.  Dave is no stranger to rock sports, competing, and participating all the way back in the infancy years pre-King of the Hammers.  Having raced numerous series, classes, and won a lot, and then some.  Though most days you can find Dave living breathing and hustling everything offroad at Trent Fabrication @trent_fabrication  in Sparks, Nevada.  Ensuring parts come and go, work is accomplished, and the customer is always served.  You're sure to enjoy catching up with Dave and seeing what's its taken for them to build over 150 rock crawlers and offroad race cars. 

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Intro/Outro:

Let's drop the green flag on this episode of The Talent Tank podcast with your host Wyatt Pemberton bringing you the best, fastest, most knowledgeable personalities and Ultra4 and offroad racing.

Wyatt Pemberton:

All right, all right. All right, here we go. Well, Welcome back, everybody. Sorry for the little delay. You know, leading up into Thanksgiving there was some scheduling snafu. So there was a little bit of a WiFi issue on one end and WiFi issue on the other end and then and then baja happened, and that just kind of threw a whole bunch of Monkey wrenches into the system. But here we are, as you guys dialed in, turned it on, cranked it up, broke off the knob. Looking back at me right now is the very svelte looking Dave Schneider, of Trent fab, also known as DSI, DSI. How you doing, man?

Dave Schneider:

I'm pretty good. How about yourself?

Wyatt Pemberton:

You know, living the dream. I have not had COVID yet, but I heard you have?

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, yeah, that actually happened.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And you lived?

Dave Schneider:

Amazingly, you know, like, you know, what is it? About 100% of everybody that gets it was 99 and a half or something

Wyatt Pemberton:

is higher than that? Yeah, it's it's 110% I gave it my all hundred 10% now, guys, yeah, man. So Dave, you know, I think you go back with everybody in the industry, easily to the beginning of rock sports. You were easily the beginning in crawling, and then racing and then all that with Ultra4. But today, you're still racing a little bit. 4871. But you've raced in all the classes. Basically, it's a car number. And then you add 71 to the end, it has had Dave Schneider's. It's been on a day Schneider car at one point or another right.

Dave Schneider:

Short a stock class. Yeah.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, you haven't raced 4500 or you

Dave Schneider:

Tom, I've raced 45 I haven't raised 46.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Is that what it is? 45? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You? I know you've been in 4471? Actually, I think you were like the first person ever Best in the Desert? To register your number? In 2009? I think it was your car was the first car ever registered? Was the number 4471 in 2009.

Dave Schneider:

Yep. Actually, what's funny is, since Jeff was driver record of that whole program, he actually registered the number first. And then I had to go through with Best in the Desert to get my own number back from them, or from Jeff to race the following season.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And then somewhere in there was it in 2010 2011? You actually ran the 4401 4400 class champ plate.

Dave Schneider:

I did.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And that was before there was a hammers class it was we could either run basically sportsman like barely in front of sportsman. Or you could race Class1.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, starting V2R '09 is when they put the 4400 King of the Hammers Class in Best in the Desert. So starting in 2010, it was actually there was a true 4400 class and it's continued on every year for anybody that's wanted to run it since then. But seems like after about 2012 2013. I don't think anybody's actually ran every race for a season since.

Wyatt Pemberton:

But a lot of people stepped in and taken a race here. They're certain like Vegas Reno, there was some guys that made an effort this year.

Dave Schneider:

Oh, always.

Wyatt Pemberton:

That's a fun race. Parker. I would always see see guys at Parker or the Mint. There's always some 4400 guys, they'll show up at Mint and run a run in the class. Yeah, man. Well, thank you for sitting down. You hail out of Washington State. Grew up there,

Dave Schneider:

sadly,

Wyatt Pemberton:

sadly. And then, and then you live outside of Reno today. Right? You know, you work in sparks but you live in Spanish Springs.

Dave Schneider:

Yes.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Like was this little suburb, North northern suburb? ritzy?

Dave Schneider:

It's just it's just churching up Sparks is all it is

Wyatt Pemberton:

Churching up Sparks. I remember hanging out with you and it we'll go back and bridge on this but I don't know much about Nevada outside of Las Vegas. And then did Vegas to Reno with you and I remember driving through Mound House and seeing The Bunny Ranch. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, that's where that's at like I've seen it on TV. That's that's pretty cool. And that was when you were at Schaefers and in Mound House that I came over and visited you once while you're working there. I was in Sacramento for work fairly regularly. But one time I came over, you're prepping for a race and I was gonna help you or co-drive with you or something and I don't remember the race though. It had been a Best in the Desert though.

Dave Schneider:

That would have been the Silver State 300 would have been the last race that car did.

Wyatt Pemberton:

That seems about right and then I cancelled and never I know showed you for some reason. And I remember at the time Lance Clifford's carwas in there being built at the time so got got what year was this? Was this 2010

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, what have been early 10

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, had it been 2010 Well, hey, we don't we kind of got off a sidetrack and really deep deep dived in here really fast. So on a day to day basis. You're who I've referred to as the walking talking offroad encyclopedia,

Dave Schneider:

okay,

Wyatt Pemberton:

as you giggle Well, no, I mean, I can't think of an offer component or number or part that if I've ever like not known what it is, you aren't the guy who you call them be like, Hey, what's this Warn number? Oh, yeah, that's the blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And you cross that over. And that actually crosses this used on x, y, z and z, y, x and in every day, and that's how you that's how your brain works, right?

Dave Schneider:

Sadly, yeah, it's backwards as can be.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And so how long have you been at Trent Fab now?

Dave Schneider:

10 and a half years? Actually,

Wyatt Pemberton:

that's insane. Is that how is that when? shaffers? Yeah, you went from shaffers? In Yeah, roughly 2010.

Dave Schneider:

So when Mike decided he was going to close the Nevada shop and move back to the Bay Area. He came in one morning and announced it and said, you know, we have about four to six weeks left, you can move or you can find a new job.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Thanks, Mike.

Dave Schneider:

So, Mr. method? Yeah, it was it was kind of a shock to everybody. But, I mean, it's he was moving and

Wyatt Pemberton:

he had family in Oakland, right? Like,

Dave Schneider:

yeah, he was from the Bay Area. Livermore, I believe it actually was. So he moved back, you know, family and so on. And, you know, it's really worked out for him going back there. So it was a good move for him.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And we're talking about Mike Schafer, you know, Shaffers off road. I don't know if he's still an off road. I know. He raced you know, like Class10 for a long time. He would always seem like he was involved. He built a lot of cars. You know, the 2009 King the Hammers winner Jason Scherer one in a Schaefer slash Campbell car.

Dave Schneider:

Yep. And that to help put that together,

Wyatt Pemberton:

and then all of the you know, tons of rock crawling championships that kind of came out of that shop.

Dave Schneider:

Mm hmm.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Well, we'll jump we'll jump back we'll get there sorry. Yeah. This is this is always fun. This is always fun me We'll see how much Tourette's and schizo schizo I get on this but so Washington Yeah, squirrel What? Your from Olympic Peninsula umhuh How do you say the name of town you're from Montesano

Dave Schneider:

Montesano

Wyatt Pemberton:

Montesano. Like insaneo. Wanna say no?

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, like, you gotta be insane to live there.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Well, and then you got out, right?

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, yeah, I escaped that,

Wyatt Pemberton:

but escaped, you joined the Navy, your Navy guy?

Dave Schneider:

I was Yep.

Wyatt Pemberton:

How many years did you were you in the Navy?

Dave Schneider:

was six days shorter four years when I was discharged after breaking my back.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And how that happened? Because that's why today anyone you know anyone sees you you walk with a cane? I don't know how long I'd been around you before I realized you had a cane. It was days. Like it really was it was in Wayne Isrealson's shop. But and I thought it was a joke initially and then I realized so how do you how did you break your back?

Dave Schneider:

You know that's not even a really good entertaining story. I was just it was involved in a car accident. Yeah, just this guy got on the freeway basically what would have been my off ramp and came into oncoming traffic. He moved from what would have been his left to his right line. Which was me moving from my right to left and we both moved around the same semi and we're a couple hundred feet apart both of us going over 80 and oh this is happening and no reaction time and there's only about 80 feet of skidmark and a huge boom.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And then you You didn't walk away that didn't work out well for you the the other guy live

Dave Schneider:

No, he didn't.

Wyatt Pemberton:

That's that's a that's

Dave Schneider:

Yeah,

Wyatt Pemberton:

out of all the years I've known you I've never asked you that story. I actually I've never I didn't know

Dave Schneider:

no

Wyatt Pemberton:

I assumed if you wanted me to know you would have told me and now today I'm the one who's asking I'm asking

Dave Schneider:

that's all good.

Wyatt Pemberton:

No I did I saw a you know as I'm doing my research and stuff I'm going through you know going through your Facebook and found just fucking hilarious excuse my language on that one. Just in a hilarious meme. A KOH mean, that has its you with your cane in it says like surprisingly the blind guys our driver.

Dave Schneider:

Oh, I look like Ray Charles standing there that day lean back looking up at the sky. And I understand pretty

Wyatt Pemberton:

well it's sunglasses on is what i saw i just did it made me laugh and chuckle a little bit and then so you ended up after after the Navy after getting out recovering from surgery from getting your you know kind of life back on track. How did you end up in offroad? I know somewhere in there you you met or knew the S&N Fab guys, what was that whole history and what kind of happened to them? They were these Pacific Northwest bad ass chassis makers and then life happens I guess.

Dave Schneider:

Okay, I'll try and follow along with all of that. So I had a four wheel drive. Nothing special before I went into the Navy and I spent pretty much all of our time on logging roads just out in the woods. There was way more miles of gravel and there was a pavement in that part of the state and just basically ran logging roads all the time. Clay hills weird stuff like that. And you know I move I moved back home to Washington after I got out just needed some help kind of with some things adjusting and just kind of get my life back on track and not a foreigner at the time which that thing evolved into a basket case straight axle 44. Just, you know, everything you can imagine in it at the time, and you know, bought a regular cab Toyota pickup to have something a little more creative. And that was when the first it was called the NWA RCA Northwest rock crawlers Association. They held a one time a year event over in Vantage Washington, and decided I wanted to do that. So through a local forum, similar to pirate but just for the Pacific Northwest, which actually stemmed from an emailing list of all things. I mean, that's how far this goes back. You know, Jason and Trevor snn were kind of kind of the top level guys in the area that you know, we're doing links suspension and big motors and big tires and so on and you know, tried to get him to do a cage for me, but they were too busy and you know, had had it done somewhere else and I ended up rolling the truck, the cage did what it's supposed to do, and that truck evolved into another Toyota that I tried my first season to come crawling in which that was a poor choice. It was outgun going into that one with the full cab and a flatbed on a Toyota. But you learned Yeah, his learning curve pretty much took the doorpost off first obstacle first course down at Cougar boots the lions pride part. But Doron realized we were taking the doors home in the bed of the pickup through a snowstorm now it was fine.

Wyatt Pemberton:

That sounds like James can trail

Dave Schneider:

it 15 years earlier. Yeah. So finally at Jason Trevor, when they they actually got the s&m real shop there in Arlington going and got him to build my first chassis from them. And just kind of became really good friends with them ended up, moved to Nevada, moved back to Washington worked for them for about eight months in their shop, decided to move back to Nevada because it really just couldn't stand the weather up there anymore. And things just kind of got a little a little sideways in that friendship and it was time to move back down. And they built the CO h car that we used in VR, oh nine and shortly after that, they just, you know, I've been building buggies and were roommates for so many years. And they just kind of decided they wanted to go their own ways. And Jason went back to engineering and Trevor ended up in engineering. Now Jason still lives up there in the northwest and Trevor lives down in Sacramento now. So Oh, wow.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Those guys cranked out a ton of chassis for a long time.

Dave Schneider:

My kayo h car 409 was, I want to say was number 76. Applications was 75. Mine was 76.

Wyatt Pemberton:

That's truly amazing. And then you raced another one. Like after that one's demise. We'll get there. You raised another one. Shortly thereafter, that was the rental you referred to as a rental.

Dave Schneider:

It's still called the rental to this day. That was actually Jason's car he built for 2009 which was built the same time my 2009 car was I just, I'd work at torch mate when there was a merger with schaefers for a while and I worked in the offices at torch mate. So I had Mike in the tech department there.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Mike Aiello

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, farva our we design my idea, he put it all to CAD. And we cut out the side plates to with the dimple holes, the whole bottom, all the link bounce and everything in it. And I had carried that up to Washington when they started my chassis. And then they built kind of a one off car into that subframe for me, and did away with their B design and some of the other stuff to euro bar the roofline and make a couple other changes in the tube structure the car, just aesthetically more than anything.

Wyatt Pemberton:

So the squirrel won't hear it. In the course of your career. How many cars do you think you've had a hand in 100? Well, since

Dave Schneider:

I've been at Trent fab, we put out over 150 chasse ease. I mean from a carrier chassis to a turnkey, so

Wyatt Pemberton:

maybe we're probably 102 50 That's a lot. I

Dave Schneider:

don't think that mean, I'd probably say 160 170

Wyatt Pemberton:

that's a lot of off road and smiles and miles right there

Dave Schneider:

is a fair bit that's for sure.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, I mean, Jay chin. What the hell are you drinking?

Dave Schneider:

I drink this as a room temperature beer.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Wow. So I tried that, uh, this pickle beer over Thanksgiving. It was the worst thing I've ever had. But that's what I envisioned. My face look like each time I took a swig of that pickle beer. Martin house pickle beer. Your face looks like it is terrible.

Dave Schneider:

I keep forgetting its room temperature and picking it up.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, slow learner.

Dave Schneider:

This is a this is true.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Oh gosh. When you were in the Navy, what was your What was your MLS?

Dave Schneider:

That's right in the Navy, but it was an eo aviation origin spin. Okay, aircraft, weapons, bombs, missiles, rockets, that kind of stuff. Just load them. So I worked in a couple different divisions. worked in bomb assembly, did a brief period of time with flight deck crew. And I also worked in ordnance control, as far as logistics, you know, elevators up and down just what what goes where what gets assembled, how it gets put together, who moves it, and so on. kind of got bounced around a little bit, I ended up with really, really bad shin splints so far twice in my life, which, you know, run up and down ladders and trying to run just pretty much doing anything not sitting down all days pretty miserable. So that kind of got me the desk job out of that. So, but so you're a barrier guy.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yes. That's what was the carrier you're on.

Dave Schneider:

So I did the pre commissioning on what was called the john c Stennis. Back in 1995, out of Norfolk, Virginia. And I wanted to stay on the East Coast when the world cruise time came up. So I did a duty swap with someone from the enterprise who wanted to go back to San Diego. Okay, cool. I didn't really want to go to San Diego.

Wyatt Pemberton:

He is the weather's beautiful there though, man. Everyone says, you know, in hindsight,

Unknown:

I should have

Wyatt Pemberton:

it. Yeah, life life would have probably not changed too much for you. It probably would have you still would have probably ended up in off road. Maybe more desert earlier on?

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, I mean, had I gone on that world cruise? I wouldn't have been in the car accident. So it's kind of one of those, you know, alternate endings to a story deal?

Wyatt Pemberton:

I don't know. I don't know. I think I think you no matter what, you know, I think there's some belief in that or whatever destiny. I believe there's destiny. I do believe in destiny to an extent I believe so many stories written. But I think you can have detours, you know, tangents. But I still think you come back to the mean, I think if you were going to be an off road racer, you were going to be an off road racer, and I think you've been an off road racer. So

Dave Schneider:

well, I grew up on my dad, my uncle's. I mean, I was at a motocross track when I was six weeks old and spent most of my younger life. lm you know, pre elementary through kindergarten, early elementary school, at a motocross track almost every weekend for up till about the 80s up into the early 80s. So down motor sports was kind of a thing. I got my first dirt bike when I was three years old.

Wyatt Pemberton:

See, and that's what and that's what I'm saying. I think it's funny. Anyone who listens to the show, or just knows the other guys in and over for how similar so many of the stories are. Every single one of you guys is unique is can be everyone is so different. But when we look at our stories, like you've stepped back, and you know how many started, you had an uncle introduced into motocross who introduced the next scene. Oh, they're they're riding every weekend or whatever that equaled. There's so many of those those that are very similar. Was there a lot of places to ride around? Northwest Washington?

Dave Schneider:

Yeah. Late 70s, early 80s, there was a motocross track bout every 5060 miles somewhere there was, I mean, there was actually a track in Montana that drew people from quite a ways away every weekend, you know, down to tonight, you know, down towards Portland or wall schugel. There was a handful others I can't remember the names of now because it's been 40 years. But yeah, there's a lot of motocross tracks. It was really popular.

Wyatt Pemberton:

I can absolutely see that. And then so then you are back in that area. You have your Toyota, you do your first rock crawl. Like that's like 2001 right? ish. Yeah. Pirate for my for kind of started around that timeframe. What was your number? You were DSI on pirate? I mean, that's knew who you were before I knew who you were. And that's the right phrase I wanted to use there. What was your member number on there? It was pretty low. Right?

Dave Schneider:

920

Wyatt Pemberton:

See, you remember,

Dave Schneider:

I may of 2000

Wyatt Pemberton:

that's solid. That's that's a solid number right there. I think I was like, 30,000 31,000. But now there's like, what? There was like 300 when it finally I think it's still going but let's just say there was a mass migration.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, social media killed forums.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And then that still sucks. Social media still sucks. It's so much worse than the forums. I would rather go back to pirate. Like, just we just no one wants to go back. I said make it great again, right. Yeah, I don't know. So yeah, so the early the early days of you getting into crawling, then you end up with the chassis and you're kind of working your way through kind of I don't want to use the right words of bouncing from job to job but you move several shops and they were you know, and they were some very legit shops in the early days. I mean, from snn to schaefers to Trent fab. And in those moves, you learn some pretty cool stuff all the way through there. And this is where I go back to complimenting you on being offered walking talking encyclopedia, you started building that and you know honing your game I mean, seriously your subject matter expert on anything for a drive all the way back you know, you can remember a bit bearing race that you put in the you know, right side axle on somebody's car 10 years ago.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, I think I've actually overloaded my brain to the point now actually kind of to pause and think on things like that. It doesn't roll out as easy anymore. Old age. Important. Yeah. Well, with that, we'll go on That

Wyatt Pemberton:

and a little bit of course light mixed in the middle there

Dave Schneider:

and it's not that I haven't hit my head about a dozen times over the years either.

Wyatt Pemberton:

You used to have this soccer ball helmet still have it I think it was amazing so there was a there was a K ah video what was that an outer limits or spooners it was in spinners gotta look at my memory my memories is going to by surprise. You guys we're out of the car. The camera is on you. It's in the dark. And your helmet was on top of the car you guys go to go and the helmet comes off the top of the car and bounces under it. You didn't know it was a helmet. It looks like someone had a soccer ball out there just rolling around kicking it around.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, actually the intercom and the pumper. If you watch it swings under the car, but it doesn't hit anything. And I just reached out and grabbed the hose and picked it back up. Because we lost both lockers on the first trail of the day. And we ran and finished 36 that year open open on 37 inch general trophy truck tires. That was a hard hard fought day and just you know spinners is the last trail that year we were at the bottom and one of the notches and I kept falling off the line because I didn't have any locker and with the helmet on it was just frustrated dark tired, exhausted. Tim was out of the car and I just set my helmet up on the roof and he's like Alright, come forward a little bit and off it went in that There you go. Tim priests. Yeah, say to me,

Wyatt Pemberton:

I had so I was trying to I was racking my brain to remember remember that. So somewhere in there. I think this is the the dynamite time to dive into this where I met you in 2009. I met you and Wayne israelson shop and it was that it was for Vegas Torino. 2009 It was kind of this culmination of East West all of us together and I was reminiscing this week because my wife is you know we're getting ready for Christmas right so all the all the decorations are coming out and she's been using a 2009 Vegas to Reno shirt to wrap up like this cookie jar. This Christmas cookie jar and I find it I'm unwrapping it and I'm like oh man and the memories that came back but think about that you and I shared an RV in Wayne Wilson's driveway for like a week before that race. We prepped on that car where guys like Chris Cabrera showing up as like Jim Knox showing up I can't remember what the guy's name who was like the crew chief but we we put together three three cars and it was it was Dave's Kirby built is car Yep, you're s&m fab 4471 and then Ben Napier with a bomber number one the in one case Ah, like the previous year. So it was slawson me and Dave he called me they've called called me and tasked me with talking to the owner of all three cars like leading up to it and find common parts like the common carts, but there was

Dave Schneider:

I don't even think they're made out of metal and they use BFG tires. That was about the end of it that wheels and tires interchanged I really think that's where it stopped

Wyatt Pemberton:

completely what and we made fuel pumps

Dave Schneider:

in about a dozen of them.

Wyatt Pemberton:

It was a lot so that was really the first time I met you in person but that started a relationship because I hung out with you. Balance of oh nine through 2010 I think the race that would wear your helmet came off the top of the car. I feel like that was 2010

Dave Schneider:

it was and we're looking at camp with you guys after Parker after Parker

Wyatt Pemberton:

so that's let's talk about Parker really quick because that was that was the Parker the year it started. It started raining. right we're in the middle of the desert. I mean, this is the freakin Parker zone. I mean it's total desert and it starts raining. It just didn't rain a little bit. It wasn't like sprinkles, it started like downpouring and a lot of that racecourses through washes, a lot of cars flooded or didn't make it or whatever. And then there you are, you guys come through, you throw it in full and drive and you're just like 14 rivers, and like riding rapids in the dark lights bouncing off of whitewater and you and it was Tim priests right? Yep, freezing and Delaware. Here's your nuts. You guys froze your nuts off

Dave Schneider:

those bad. Well, the worst part was is the where the master kill was one of the leads that was kind of folded over it and finally vibrated and broke loose. We lost the ignition, right about the time the rainstorm started. So got out of the car got tools kind of had to figure out how to fix it with what we had. Through the monsoon. We had finally kind of just pick which things in the car needed power and strip them and it was wrapped around the post not tightened wrapped in duct tape. And we duct taped the switch to Tim's foot, or we left the interior panel and whatnot out. And we took off we had one fan, and the front headlights only. And just was like, well, we're gonna finish the thing I think for the only car in the class still running. So I think we got first place in the bag. So let's just cruise this in and say we finished it. And we found out later we would have been top five overall on the two lap race. Had we not had that problem, but you know, still getting to finish and then go into co h seven days later and getting finished was was a pretty impressive week.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, no, six days later. Right, right. I mean, we It was a Saturday. Yeah, yes. I and then cailleach is Friday. So it was in prepping the car. And then that year was funky. Wasn't that the year that BJ Baldwin was gonna drive with you? Yes. What a memory I Yeah, right there. And so BJ, he came to pre run a couple times. And then he just he just no showed for the event itself.

Dave Schneider:

Now that was years later that he actually came and raced. But he he got sick and martellus were doing his marketing and media. And Matt emailed me the day before the race and said, you know, BJ is not feeling good. He's not gonna make it. It's like, Oh, well, I don't have cash in my pocket. Pay the entry fee. I thought that was covered. I guess I had to talk Dave and Jeff.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And then y'all still raced it in finished, like your ability to finish races? How many times have you DNF over the last 15 years, like, once or twice? Not very many.

Dave Schneider:

It's been more than that. I there's been a handful and they've all been 50 cent part failures, or just I don't know the felon 251 was completely driver error, just pushing too hard. But it hasn't been a lot.

Wyatt Pemberton:

It hasn't been a lot. And it used to give you a hard time about this. But your your trophy room or trophy closer trophy wall. You've got some frickin plaques man. Like a lot.

Dave Schneider:

there's a there's a couple good ones out there.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Oh, no, I think more than a couple August stuff. And then so to go into like 2011 1213 years 4400 through those years, all the while working there, trip fab. And then slowly as your cars went, irfs cars moved up, you ended up going, you know, moving down in class and keeping keep racing car what we've seen a lot of guys do, which this goes back to Dave saying there wouldn't be more than one class ever. Now there's more classes, which is smart, right? It's a place for competitive cars that are no longer competitive and 4400 to to move to that next level and continue to keep racing. And shit. I mean, that's extended your racing career in ultra for what? Seven years? Eight years?

Unknown:

Yeah, seven years. Yeah. Seven years.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah. And then now I'm not calling you old. What are you I am it. You're getting you know, you're, you're in the 40s ish. ish. And, and, and now you're supporting other guys. I mean, you're supporting guys like Bailey Cole. And doing and doing stuff with him and helping him you go to where where he is today. As we talked about the cars that you were involved with and how I got to know you. You started to build an IFRS car. You're shaking my head in shaking your head. Sorry, I'm flipping me off here. This is solid work here. This is exciting stuff. Because Because Because I owe you I owe you a huge debt of gratitude here and I'll pay it in my way probably will like dammit Why? So you started to build build an iOS car? Mike Aiello there at torch, right? You're working at torch mate. This is roughly that 2010 2011 period, you guys start designing a mid engine wasn't me that was the plan. Right off the bat mid engine. Tell me about the car in your head.

Dave Schneider:

Well, Campbell's had built the the class one that they call obrah. The big car, they're still running today. And the idea was something for class one best in the desert. That was still four wheel drive. And it was just trying to scale it down, which is where the the class one body came from. That was on it. We actually have all things and, you know, in hindsight, we use stands. And we actually taped the whole body together and then measured how to build the car inside the body. Because I actually bought the body before we bent the tube. I knew what I wanted it to look like I just didn't know how to get it there. So we built it backwards.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And there's nothing wrong with that. It came out pretty good.

Dave Schneider:

It did. It did end up coming out pretty well when you and Rick were done with it.

Wyatt Pemberton:

So we're talking about the unicorn and by the way that that car was named by Dave Cole. It was they've named it it was you know, are we ever gonna see this mythical creature, this unicorn and it was you'd worked on it for a long time collecting parts and I don't know if the key words was lost interest or we're ready to move on or whatever. That didn't. Ekelund but so you hit me up. And you're like, because I got now I'd had a new a new my daughter was born in 2011. And I'd burn myself out. You know, I think everyone out there who races or is involved in this motor sport, you know, it takes a team, it takes just countless freakin hours in the shop, you know, working on your car, prepping your car, fixing your car. I mean, just to go go break it, and then not counting all the time away from work and drive into events to do events. And I'd burned out by 2010. I was I didn't I wanted no part of it. And so I sat out my daughter was born in 2011. We started talking in private right then. Yeah, right about right. Yeah,

Dave Schneider:

you'd asked about buying, buying into the car when it was done and getting the race part of it and I'd had a couple things change for me and, you know, working for a company that built one type of car while trying to build my own after hours in the shop. It started to buttheads it, it did start to cause problems, which soured kind of trying to work on it at the same time. So that that was kind of the the reason I got a hold he about moving on from it. He'd shown interest in like, well,

Wyatt Pemberton:

and there was my initial project, though. Well, yeah. What was my history reaction? Like I was like, no, nope.

Unknown:

And then a week later,

Wyatt Pemberton:

yeah, I came back to it like, okay, let's, let's talk and the thought was, okay, we could build this with a, you know, a takeout six liter, you know, like a Nokia nine and an F 14 bolt where there's all these plans, like, I can put this thing tailor so cheap. Like, it could be such No,

Dave Schneider:

five years later, it was pretty much state of the art when it finally debuted

Wyatt Pemberton:

it. It had been it hasn't been a good car, you know, I messed up though, like I truly messed up and this is this was my Achilles heel and ultimately became the Achilles heel that car was I tried to support local and stay local. So in being in in Houston, and it's drag racing, we've got lots of drag racing. I mean, we're at some level and lots of drag racing. And really the best transmission shop here in town everyone swears by circle D great guys amazing guys. They build a badass drag racing transmission. It has no place in a desert car and ultimately you know after I don't know how many of those I went through, but I could change the transmission that car pretty quickly which is still a couple hours in that car and coal hang got a hold of it. Culhane was very impressed with the transmission that was built it had you know brass everything in it. It was it was a solid car. It was a solid transmission. And you know, easy Rick Rick Mooney ham. It couldn't have been done without him. And we used to joke about you know, his his business trick toy fabrication. TTF was totally Trent fab.

Dave Schneider:

Okay, never heard that before.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Totally. Trent fab, will give him a hard time he's gonna hear this and be like, I'm gonna stab. I'm gonna stab ya next on my scene, which isn't that hard cuz he lives in Missouri. Now.

Dave Schneider:

I was gonna say he's pretty close to these days. Yeah, it's

Wyatt Pemberton:

too close for comfort. And that's still 700 miles away, though. Man.

Dave Schneider:

I love Rick but nodular is a transmission again. It's fine.

Wyatt Pemberton:

It's you guys are twin brothers on that. How many your dodge has left you stranded more times then? It's always been electrical. It's always been dead pedal issues, luckily. And then he just recently moved to Missouri and had a transmission issue on the way there. So yeah, that's in his dodge. But yeah, so so that car but that car sucked me back in. Right. And I think you know, that says 11. Rick, really? We started working on that car in 20 1213. we raced it. We debuted at Parker in 14, and then just start working on bugs out and then ultimately, Alex Walker ended up with it out of the blue, which that's a that's a wonderful, great story. You know, I was a guy that I prepped the car after the race not before the race. So the car ends up being Yeah, what's that like? Right? So I get this call out of the blue from like, slacker. Hey, man. If you don't raise your car this weekend at Fallon like would you sell it I was like it was Tuesday night they were driving to Nevada on on Thursday with my car like they came got it that Wednesday morning it was gone and I didn't even get a chance to really say buyer process it I'm kind of I'm kind of glad having kind of bittersweet that happened and but that was like you know that's been almost four years ago five years ago. I think it was 16 somewhere there a long time ago I still talking about it because I mean now I'm washed up has been has a stupid podcast that just talks to talks to racers that's how I live vicariously through you guys.

Dave Schneider:

It's cheaper.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Same amount of time commitment though, I guess. But I heard some some cool stuff though. Recently though. muse. So Alex took that car. It got reworked a little bit by Rick for Alex's taste, then. I don't know what to do. But he caught that thing on fire. At some point. Then it it got shoved outside. It was a bare metal car. Now it looks like you know it now it looks like a tetanus shot, but it's owned by a North Texas guy named Josh Hess. And Hess. raced it a little bit here. had some success here in Texas with it. And then now I think he's just lost interest. But I got some text here recently. I think there's some guys that are about to acquire that car and we're gonna start seeing it. We're gonna see it get turned around is what I've heard. Okay, there's some guys that want to race all of the Mexican races so all baja also the

Dave Schneider:

car be perfect for that it's long enough. It's

Wyatt Pemberton:

low why long it's that's 125 it's like 90 wide. And it's low. It's it's a ton of room inside. That's a roomy ass car for as small as it is.

Dave Schneider:

We actually went out and I sat in the seat of my oh seven Dodge, and we measured the floor, the seat height, the leg room where the pedals were, and the steering wheel. And when we started figuring out the seat to the floor to the bulkhead in it, it was mirrored off my daily driver pickup.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Now it was perfect. It was comfortable. You could drive you could be in that car for you know, eight hours and you were still still good to go. Like very, very comfortably good to go. Yeah, man,

Dave Schneider:

unlike a lot of ultra for cars that are little tight.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Well, you know, I think you know, we we built cars back then. Yeah, and even you still see it today you build a chassis, it has a subframe in it, and then that subframe ends up being the belly, you end up stashing the transmission in there and batteries in there and a like an accumulator and then then there's a sub floor. And that ends up being the floor that your feet set on and you What's that usually 10 inches above the bottom of the car and then the seat sits above that. Or 12 inches so there's this Yeah, this cavity under that car didn't have any of that. Your know your heels were on the ground. Yeah, it had it had the skid plate then it had the two inch tube, and then it had the the sub floor the floor. Effectively it looked like like a cookie sheet that your heels set on. Mm hmm. That was it. And then under under the driver's seat, there was a an accumulator, immediately under and then that sat right on the skid. And then on those side was a driveshaft attached to a, what did Wayne call those? It was when his son Wayne made this little zouk zouk shafts or what do you call them? Like sub unit bearings? It was like a mid Joanie

Dave Schneider:

talking about I cannot think of what it was.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And somebody is yelling at the radio right now going it was a bit. I can't remember exactly. But it's like a little midship Well, it's

Dave Schneider:

gonna get a phone call from Wayne after this.

Wyatt Pemberton:

You guys. Didn't I teach you better and we're like, I'm gonna answer the Florida. I did see on Facebook the other day at Wayne answer a question on on there and Chris Cabrera I think was the one who was I was like, Hey, Dad. Hey, son. Just started is it just it just made me made me laugh and made me smile. But yeah, then you were the story of how he got the name, dad. Let's hear.

Dave Schneider:

You're the guy. So the oh nine VR team first got to put together we decided to go Memorial Day weekend and race a more race there in Lucerne. Because Jarrod john Reynolds was the fourth member of the original team. Okay, it was myself Jeff Jr. and Wayne. And things didn't work out for Jr. You know, towards the end of it. So we went to this more race more MDR one of those guys. And so we entered in class 1300 just open sportsman buggy. we'd gone out to do a little pre running before going back to Wayne's look the car for the race and we went to the Chinese restaurant and Lucerne Valley. Okay. Yeah. You know, I'm, there were any cats or dogs outside. So I'm not really sure what we ate. But, you know, it's right next door to Johnny's garage now, so we're sitting at the table and the Asian lady thought that we were Wayne's kids. So he was bad. That's Yeah. Are you are you that dad? And he just looks at us with this. You know, Wayne didn't swear drink or anything back then. And just had this just sour look on his face. And it's like, loops.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Hey, Dad. Yeah,

Dave Schneider:

so that just stuck from there.

Wyatt Pemberton:

I call him dad. You know, he's like the father of ultra for operating like, like the first guy to crack the nut on how to tune a four drive car. How to tune how to tune a solid axle car. And that was one thing that came out of that event was we went you myself Wayne and we went up and met Joel Joel with Bilstein. What's Joel's last name? Ward, Joel Ward, Joel Ward, and Joe ward. He ran for building for a long time and then he ended up going to feiss and Krupp elevator, which is the parent company I

Dave Schneider:

went up to Barry to work on elevators and now he lives in New Mexico.

Wyatt Pemberton:

He lives in New Mexico and yes, I think he's you know, he's one of the guys that currently got you know, he got smacked with you know, layoffs and downsizing or whatever. I believe Joel Joel and I exchanged notes out and probably June or so. I know he was looking he was looking for looking for work. I like a lot of people right I mean, that's kind of how it is right now. It's a kind of disaster but so we go out and I remember we went to Jean, Jean Nevada, you know just there across state line from print. prym gene and we pull off and was that is that pet three advanced pet three. That's what I refer to it as of the MIT course. And we tuned with tune with Joel. And Wayne ended up being the one that basically got that car dialed in. Even though we were there with Bilstein Joel Joel was doing his work. But Wayne, Wayne had it figured out, man.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, he sat back and just watch from the sidelines and just kind of, I don't know if he figured,

Wyatt Pemberton:

I guess he fixed the glitch. He fixed he was sorry, seeing stuff in the matrix in 2009. And then for when that worked out, right, because he built a career I mean, he reinvented himself as he gone from painting the Rose Bowl and painting commercial buildings, having all these crews that were painting stuff to he ended up being the suspension whisperer for the the go fast 4400 crowd then he started doing short course and pro fours with Rob Mac, and then he started co driver for Rob Mack and trophy trucks. And then he started down he was I will never forget this though. In cam steel cam steel. I'd like to I still want to have him on the show. We've we've scheduled and missed and scheduled a missed and we talked to kfh and scheduled a missed and it just had it came and I haven't haven't changed up so that's uh, hopefully we'll get him on here here when David Wayne was scheduled to was planning to schedule to go tune with cam out of Parker. And Rick and I reached out to Wayne about tuning and I don't know how it went down. But Wayne blew cam off to come tune us. And I was like, wow, wow. Wow. And he was like No, I mean, you're my family. That was how he was he was like you're my favorite. Okay, okay, so we went muddiman Barstow. Barstow loved it. tore the car up, solid, solid work,

Dave Schneider:

Barstow break anything?

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, it absolutely absolutely will. Yeah, man. So dad, that what? how did how did the 2009 deal come together? I talked about it a lot. I think it's it's almost a an urban lore at this point of how kind of 4400 came to be and kind of how there was this merging of East and West guys. And you were right there in the center. But I wasn't the answer guy I got. I got called by Dave and said, Hey, fly out here. So

Dave Schneider:

well, when it first came up, they were looking to do it, you know, I wanted to but I didn't have the resources and whatnot, actually called Jeff. And, you know, yeah. There's an old named Rob right,

Wyatt Pemberton:

Jeff? No. So I saw I saw his son Cody, Cody in Oklahoma. His son was at Nationals.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, Cody actually is working in the shop right now for us.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Oh, that's awesome. Music, great welder.

Dave Schneider:

Oh, he's a good kid, too. So

Wyatt Pemberton:

so in Vegas to Reno in 2009 was a special year and it's never been recreated since right it was they called it the long way.

Dave Schneider:

They did a two day air a couple years back. But yeah, not they haven't done another three day one. nothing quite like that. But so I called Jeff and I'm like, you know, how, how do I do this? You know, how, how can I get into this? Like, you know, I have a car but I don't have any money. You know, I don't have the means to put this together. And he's like, I don't know. You know, we talked for a little bit. And a couple days later, he calls me back. He's like, you know, we can team up we can we can make a group we can use your car because it exists. You know, which I think was kind of a jab at Dave not having a car at the time. That's right.

Wyatt Pemberton:

It was being built and didn't know Kirby was going to have it done.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah. So you know, Jeff got together with Wayne and, you know, brought jr in at the time. And, you know, it kind of worked that out to put it together.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And then that grew, and then they start putting out the feelers and I I don't remember how that came to be. I don't know who all they called her how they called, but I ended up in a chase truck. Jeff Knowles superduty which, if he was a

Dave Schneider:

nice truck,

Wyatt Pemberton:

yeah, it was a nice truck. We didn't do anything to it. Like we strove it. It was fine. It was the same as we. He gave it to us. We gave it back. We didn't tear anything up. Man. You thought we murdered his firstborn and everything when he just said we destroyed his truck we he said there's fiery Hot Cheetos everywhere and some fire seeds. And I was like, I don't know what any of that I don't remember that. The only thing we do

Dave Schneider:

in conversation point to this day

Wyatt Pemberton:

sore completely. So boy, yeah, so he the only thing I remember us that was bad and Adam Woodley and Dan Barcroft and Jr. Sorry, not Jr. RJ RJ Brown. That's my dyslexia kickin in there, RJ Brown. RJ brown and Jeff on day two broke down in the middle of nowhere and we went in with a car on fire. Don't forget that part. To catch fire there. I remember. Yeah,

Dave Schneider:

I don't breathe. It was just a flash up. But yeah, it was just after the driver hand off, and they took off out across that big lake bed and another fuel pump failure

Wyatt Pemberton:

and lit it off. But after we recovered them, it was late it was it was caught 10pm in the dark and we had like a three hour drive in they guys worked on all night long. You know, Greg Mulkey was there cooking cooking food for everybody, but we're leaving. And I was driving in Adam Woodley, you know, is in the passenger seat in the front and we're, I think we're three wide in the front four wide in the back of this crew cab I mean, yeah, and in Jeff and RJ they have their their fire suits, you know, they didn't have shirts on underneath. It was 130 degrees outside, and then at least he'll put yourself in a race car so we're all in we're stinky as hell just and we're stuck like bare skin stuck to bare skin and they're in these bunnies. These suicidal effing bunnies we're driving and I've got all of Jeff had all these chase rack lights on and we're going down the highway with lightened it up like a like a football stadium, just and Hall in the mail with your car on the trailer behind us trying to get to where you get to Hawthorne maybe it was Hawthorne Yeah. Get to Hawthorne to repair the car. And these frickin jackrabbits. they'd run out in front of the road and just stop and we would mow them. I I won't say we killed 100 100 rabbits like there wasn't hitting the brakes. You weren't gonna check up you weren't they were enough send it and Woodley is like dying man. What's up with all these suicidal bunnies I have his own voice in my head talking about these suits. Otherwise, I never seen nothing like this. Man Adam magnanimous seen anything like this?

Unknown:

Nope.

Wyatt Pemberton:

But yes, I think Dave put together that team like calling everybody Ridgeway was on that team.

Dave Schneider:

bridgeway was Dave's other driver.

Wyatt Pemberton:

No, he burned the car down or car burned down with him in it. I don't.

Unknown:

Yeah.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Who was the who was the CO driver for with Ridgeway? That's the I racked my brain. I couldn't come up with that. I don't remember. Yeah, I couldn't come up with that. And then you had a Napier and Randy slawson Mike's Lawson was Randy, skydiver and Benny camp.

Dave Schneider:

Dave camp was the other Australian

Wyatt Pemberton:

yet the other Australian? That's right. See, I remember that. And then the day before? Yeah, I don't know that. That was a ratio. We weren't prepared. That was a learning curve for all of ultra for and that, you know, our fueling systems and deadheaded rails, how much? You know, we came out of that race. And Wayne redesigned a rail racing rail system. And pretty much everyone ended up converting to that we had gone we were rock crawlers in 2009. We were still effectively rock crawlers. Oh, yeah. And just trying to learn to go fast. You know, I remember seeing it was it was a video with it was an interview is a video interview with Ben Robin apart. And he was standing in his shop in Southern California and he looks over his shoulder and there's a there's a trophy truck or, you know, a 7200 truck or something. It was a desert vehicle. And then on the other side was a rock crawler. And he like he points at the desert cars like I mean, this car has, you know, 4050 years of technology behind it. There's rock color, but we've got five at that point, right. So just as in now, so I posted you know, just this past week on you know, the talentegg insiders page. Like what's the next big thing? Right? What's the next we've finally seen tech flowing from ultra for to trophy truck right? We see four wheel drive trophy trucks. That was stuff that we used to get laughed at for.

Dave Schneider:

Well, I mean, the herps did that four wheel drive truck several years back that I know short on front wheel travel on a wait him wait a lot.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And it never worked. It never worked out. It didn't have any it wasn't successful at all. No. And then I recall, you know, rolling into that station casino parking lot for Vegas, Reno sitting in the front of Wayne's motorhome. And Andy McMillan was, I mean, he's a hot driver, and he was young. I won't say at the time. I don't know how old he is now. But however old he was then but early 20s Yeah. And he laughed. Oh, yeah, he pointed and laughed. And I was of this fruition that, uh, you know, everyone knew that Macmillan's even you know, from all the way from Texas knew who they were and what their trucks were like. He's laughing at our rock crawler that we're coming. We're coming to race him. And then what year did the rock donkey thing come out? Because Pistol Pete was at that event, right? That was I

Dave Schneider:

think that was kale. Ah, oh, 90809.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And then and then they race Baja, in cars, maybe 10 or 11 or somewhere like that. And that's where the rock donkey racing kind of came from out of out of Dave Cole.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, no, that's that's actually what he named his team.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yes. Rock donkey racing. Yeah, cuz it actually kind of funny because a Pistol Pete

Dave Schneider:

Yep. It was a good slide. It was kind of funny. It was It was great. Yeah. No, he named his team just I was funny.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, we got off on a wall there. Somebody needs to refill their beer. And one mace. Yeah, as we're talking about the speed, it's, you know, sad that we lost that guy. I mean, he, he wrote a lot of people the wrong way for a lot of times, but he was still a really good dude, and really always had like what he believed to be offered in best interest.

Dave Schneider:

Oh, no. And I think a lot of what I think he did it just for shock effect is, man and I met him a couple different times, different races and so on. And he was, it was really nice, genuine guy. He just had a great sense of humor.

Wyatt Pemberton:

He's loud. And the band for life. Van flex. I played blackjack with him at one of those races. He was he was a fun. He was a fun guy to play have at your blackjack table. It was a good dude. Speaking of good dudes, who I met through you, the grasses, Mo and Jeff grass.

Dave Schneider:

I haven't heard from either of those guys in years.

Wyatt Pemberton:

I think Jeff burned himself out. Like at one point, there was one king of hammers, I think he had like, is like 13 or 14. I think he had like 13 or 14 motors in the main race. It was a Yeah, it sounds about right. It just it just killed him. He was just working way too hard. And and it just didn't didn't work out for him. Last I heard he's got a mini bike track. I mean, you know, a little mini bike races in his backyard. But it draws like hundreds of people's, like hundreds of people and big entry

Dave Schneider:

that didn't know any of that. I just followed his Instagram for a while. I haven't seen any for quite a while. But he was working on, you know, classic cars and old Hot Rods and stuff. He was back east or Midwest for a while. And now he's back in California.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Well, I think his daughter was going to University of Arkansas, or what

Unknown:

it was

Wyatt Pemberton:

or was going to school in Arkansas. So he was back here a little bit. I skipped somebody in there that I wanted to talk about TJ Flores. Yeah, we're talking about the unicorn. You and Mike Aiello might be in the design guy that was was that fab at the time? I'm sorry. Was that torch made at the time? And it? Yeah. Didn't Mike have some hand in the TTB? Car?

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, yeah. Mike actually drew the initial renderings for that. I this. This is a little bit of a disputed story, but I actually still have the email to prove it that that was drawn back in 2009. And there's an interesting fact that if you take a tape measure to the front of that TTB car, and my old, original 2009 sN chassis, the frame rails are the exact same measurement. It was based off of retrofitting beams into the front of that s&m car that we ran in VR.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Oh, wow. Okay.

Dave Schneider:

So Mike had done the basic renderings and kind of gotten it figured out in 2d but it never obviously progressed past that. But you know, he drew all the work to torch mate so it kind of belong to torch made.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Fair enough. The car we're talking about is the one that uh, it was raced by torchlight racing with JT Taylor's the driver. Yep,

Dave Schneider:

he won Reno with it. The Yep, the second Stampede the long one,

Wyatt Pemberton:

the long one. And then it went to Clyde Stacy with RPM racing and Robby Gordon race. Did Robbie race it two years in a row. Okay. Ah,

Dave Schneider:

yeah, the one year he blew the motor on the lake bed not far in and then the following year, he rolled it at the top of wrecking ball.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And which one did he helicopter out and leave lance?

Dave Schneider:

Oh, that was the one that blew the motor up on the leg. Mike mile 30

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, Lance you can you can hang out with the car. Sorry Lance Clifford. Yeah,

Dave Schneider:

yeah, I got to get back to North Carolina Yeah,

Wyatt Pemberton:

I'm out and then there was a falling out with with Robbie and Clyde. I never really heard but the car languished. It didn't get raced for

Dave Schneider:

I don't really know I've heard different here says but I don't know any of the details with it. But JT got lucky enough to get it back somehow. And then he sold it this week

Wyatt Pemberton:

for the second time. The second time. So we talked he had mad you know how much

Unknown:

they want to know who bought it? Well,

Wyatt Pemberton:

I know you know, actually, you just you just don't know that. You know, the guy he sold it to Wired him on the first time the you know, a week ago or whatever this was and he drove to in this guy had it was done it right. rented a house in Lake Havasu and was going to use the car and get used to the car between now King hammers because he's gonna you know, it came with an entry spot so he's gonna race it in the sky race in the past. jt muddiman like have succeeded drop the car off and the guy had full on panic attack, never drove the car. Never got in the passenger seat is my understanding from JT and it just didn't work out. And I think he felt really bad but he just like puking panic attack over over what that equaled. And for me, I'm like, man, I just feel totally bad for the guy. I mean, the rest of you know, we romanticize things in life for sure. And I think he romanticized getting in that car and racing that car. And then when it actually kind of came to the reality of it sitting there, and he was gonna have to get in and it's sitting there rumbling big motor and just like, oh, crap, no, I'll kill myself on that thing. You know,

Dave Schneider:

I started No, it's a it's a fast car.

Wyatt Pemberton:

So JT was worried. You know, he called, like, I think I called him first. and was like, Dude, what happened? Because we just talked today before about it. And he said, Yeah, the issue is now he was worried about the quality of the car, like people are gonna doubt the quality of the car. Right? That's because I got backed out, right? And I'm like, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, I absolutely do not think that about the TTB car. That thing is a very documented pedigree. All the people and partners there was no expense spared when torch mate built it. Nope. Then you go through the owner, you know, who worked out, you know, Jesse Haynes working on it. And then you look at who, whose race car, then it went to rpm RPM, you know, it's sitting in a stable with geyser trucks. It's got to look nice. It's got to be nice. It's going to be up to up to par. Robby Gordon, Robby Gordon race that car. on numerous occasions. It is aboveboard JT, I don't have a problem with that. We get off the phone. Not even 30 minutes later. Text sold.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, I saw it pop back up. It was like, Oh, okay.

Unknown:

Yeah, well, then yes, they

Wyatt Pemberton:

sold I can't wait for the guy who who bought it to come out make it public. And I'm sorry, I'm just not be the guy to drop it. But I think fair, in my opinion, the right guy got it. That's it's somebody who I thought really should have probably bought it the first time. And I think even showed interest the first time around is why I thought that and then, um, for whatever reason, it didn't happen then. But here, you know, the guy got another cut at it. And he got it. So. So hopefully, you know, we'll see that recent cailleach I don't think we'll see it outside of kale. Ah, I think that's that'll be the event. This individual takes it to be of that race. I don't I don't see it being a serious car, but it'll do good at Keio. Ah, it's really built for that course. Really good scores. Yeah. Yeah. So what are your plans for K wage this year?

Dave Schneider:

I sold the legends car that that Bailey been racing that that was originally the crow America car. I sold that to father son how to Northern Oregon. With father Brett actually bought Napier's pinhole and never raised co h had been down there a couple times was into some big tire bouncer stuff on the West Coast here. They came out last year and finished eighth and benzel car. My son turned 18 you know his son have been doing some bouncer stuff as well. And doing pretty well at it and wanted his son into ultra force. So I went up to Oregon over the summer there with COVID and locked down and all that stuff. This buffalo farmer up in Central Oregon, made a 12 mile loop and it's 300 acre field.

Wyatt Pemberton:

No kidding.

Dave Schneider:

It was $125 entry fee. It's like, okay, go get go drive a car that I own does some fun. So I went up there and you know, met the hurdles. And now he decided he wanted to buy that car for his son. So I'm gonna work with them next season with legends car in the pinhole both and again with doc Jones, another Legend's car that we built out of the shop here and well, that car pretty much lives in Reno. We store it, we prep it, we transport it for him and so on. So

Wyatt Pemberton:

and I met him in Oklahoma. he's a he's a chiropractor out of Montana, Wyoming. Wyoming, Wyoming. Yep. That guy's a cool dude. What's his first name is?

Dave Schneider:

Jeremy Jeremy. That's

Wyatt Pemberton:

it. Jeremy Jones.

Unknown:

Yes,

Wyatt Pemberton:

I hope Jeremy hears this because we met in Oklahoma, and he walked up and we were talking and I got introduced to him. And he just was full of cool kick ass stories. And that goes back to the birds of a feather flock together. Granted, we're in a, you know, a rock field in Oklahoma at a race of course, you know, you could throw a stone hit another race. So that's kind of how it was. So you'd already fret together. But yeah, man, that guy was very, very, very cool. And we talked about his his trip fab car, and the success that he's had, and how quickly he's had success. Because, you know, quality equipment.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, no, he he didn't spare an expense when it was built. And, you know, every car has a bug here there. And you know, it was a learning curve for him to get into it near the start of the first season. But yeah, he's he's really done well with it and taken off, and we all just what third in the series last year, second this year? Yep. One NorCal last year, and he won't he won the Baja race last year, the first one ever. He won nationals the year before as well. So he's, he's not shy about getting it on top of the podium.

Wyatt Pemberton:

He's built building a very, very quickly build a name for himself, which, for me, when I hear name like Jeremy Jones, got, you know, I feel like I'm not that old, like I but I I'm 44 But don't feel that old but I feel like they might Jeremy Jones. I picture like this, like 22 year old kid, right? And this guy walks what he acts like,

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, he's got that ambition and just, he's so amped up and just so lively that he, he's like, he's 22 years old still. Yeah,

Unknown:

fair enough.

Wyatt Pemberton:

I mean, the question is, if you're a chiropractor, do you have to have another chiropractor to do work on you? You do, right? You can't do you can do your own surgeries, right? A surgeon can't without surgery, right?

Dave Schneider:

I actually know the answer to that question. He has one other doctor in town that practices the same techniques that he does. And they actually adjust each other. So they have a deal. Yeah. I have a secret on each other. Yep.

Wyatt Pemberton:

That's one of those saying, that's one of those statements where, you know, when we talked like pre record, I said, you know, if you ever say something that comes out like awkward, can you

Dave Schneider:

believe it now and alone?

Wyatt Pemberton:

For Jeremy Jones and his chiropractor, buddy, they're in a in Wyoming? Yes.

Dave Schneider:

I mean, come on. It's Wyoming. They have a rubber boots with velcro in them.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Right. It Velcro gloves, right? Yep. Man. So I want to ask you some questions about about Bailey Cole. Sure. And what we've seen today at a Bailey Cole, you know, Bailey is you know, the son of Dave Cole, owner of filter four series. But we've seen you know, Bailey, is really over the years has really come into his own. He's racing 4400. Now, he's been having a lot of success. He's a very fast driver, unless you throw a pond out in front of him. And it's another story. But he's, he's becoming that app. And he's becoming a very, very good driver to watch. I actually really enjoy watching and tracking Bailey Cole, in his efforts. And you had a lot of a lot of hand in, in his early early days and early era, as he raced a train car and he still races a tramp park today. Walk us through that, like what it was like to tutor and to Legion, all those words.

Dave Schneider:

So I kind of decided in the 16th season, I was just going to hang it up. But they had some personal problems and some other issues that year and just kind of got burned out. And I talked Bailey at the Fallon race that year. And, you know, told him probably wasn't gonna race the following season. And now didn't think much of the conversation a couple days later, I got a call from Dave, he's like, are you really gonna, like I just wanna step back, you know, take little time off. He's like, well, what would you work with Bailey? You know, what would you let him race your car? Can we put a program together? Okay. All right. And so we met for Thanksgiving weekend on down at the hammers and through Bailey in the car blowing. And he's running 9495 miles an hour, Wayne's wash talking on the radio, and Dave's like, now we got to slow him down that that's, that's not going to happen. This That's too much. It's like, well look pretty controlled from here. You know, because Bailey kept going to races and it wasn't that he wasn't in a good car. It was he didn't have the support. He didn't have the pit crews. You know, he didn't have the prep and so on. Because, you know, Dave's busy with everything else. And he didn't have the support. So it was one of those, you know, can we can we work together with the car and put a team together to support Bailey so that I can focus on running the organization and Bailey's in a car with people that, you know, can get him there and can take care of everything.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And there's a big trust factor there.

Dave Schneider:

Right. Yeah, that was for sure. And that was one of David's first conversations. He's like, you know, I trust you with my son's life. You know, I trust you to put this together. I was like, okay, you know, I think I've killed a couple of fish and I don't have any pets. So yeah, this will be great.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah. You've been good with dogs, though. You've been solid with dogs. You've got you've got a dog now China. Yep. Yeah,

Dave Schneider:

she actually just ran out of the room here. Cujo? Pretty much.

Wyatt Pemberton:

So yeah, you make you say you kill things. But yeah, you successfully been there. And so Bailey, has that been? I mean, you know, you don't have children on your own in this regard. But has that been somewhat fulfilling to see a guy that you effectively had under your wing for the last three years move four years moved to where he is at today? and competing, his level of competition and his where he's completing races and finishing? Oh, absolutely. I

Dave Schneider:

mean, you know, the first co h 17. You know, that came in turn, turn a bunch of lights off in the tent and you know, we're doing an interview with Bailey and he kind of stumbled through it and you know, he's having a hard time with it and watching him now he can just walk up to any reported boom, they turn the camera on one take just rolls through it like a professional and it's, you know, it's cool to see that growth and just, you know, not only as a driver, but just, you know, public speaking and you know, everything else is education, you know, going to school up in flag now and all that So it's been really neat to watch him over the last few years really mature and grow that way.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And he's got a solid solid girlfriend are they engaged yet? Or claim don't believe so.

Dave Schneider:

So I don't think so. But she's been a huge help for him as well. She's you know, she's got a great personality and she's fairly outgoing and is quick to correct him if if there's something going on so doesn't erase pretty awesome. Yeah, I don't know. She doesn't miss anything. Oh,

Wyatt Pemberton:

that's I's cross the T's make sure he has his junk together.

Dave Schneider:

Pretty much. Yeah,

Wyatt Pemberton:

that is good stuff. Well, it's been pleasant to watch Bailey's progression and I knew a lot of that came out of you know, the Trent fab, the fab studio, the stable whatever. You guys build solid, solid cars all the way back to you know that crawl cover with Derek Trent and the red 151 chassis that was called

Dave Schneider:

that was actually 100 proof 100 was a

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, that was a taco car and in just airborne in it, you know, it's a Warren's like, wow, these guys are doing some cool stuff out west way before we even consider thinking we were ever gonna go to California to race and live alone. Did we think we were going to be going there every single year in February. So that seemed just a wild story. Back when Tom ways was racing, you know, Whelan that that orange lever car that was was that car and then you guys are cranked out how many 150 cars since you've been there? That seems realistic. That seems totally real too.

Dave Schneider:

I haven't actually updated the list in a while but it was at 146 last time I updated it. We have eight active projects in the shop and a couple of left so we're we're over 150 155 range right now.

Wyatt Pemberton:

And so in the shop today where you guys are at in sparks what's Derek's role today?

Dave Schneider:

Well after Derek has to answer the phone now that that came from a customer related issue a few years ago but for the most part Derek bends all the chassis zz he does all the work himself that's the one thing he really likes. He's real good with the hands on you know, the lexin like we make splash boxes for going to the east coast because their front filtered cars so little intricate, you know making the little detailed pieces like that he's real good with that kind of stuff. But he really likes doing the tube work and you know basically the chassis assembly things and he's real meticulous about everything is square everything is right everything is exactly where it needs to be.

Wyatt Pemberton:

That's where I was going I knew that was you know what his mentality is and where he's at home out there and then you're kind of the the captain up front making sure that parts are coming in parts are ordered your writing vendors assets I don't know how you do that. How do you have you not gone crazy and you have all your hair or most of it

Dave Schneider:

died nioxin I don't know everyone smile. It's it's one of those. All right, step back. Take a breath don't don't lose it on anybody. Nice part is with since we started working with Bailey on the race thing is we've actually kind of branched it a race program in house which is pretty much my program. That's that's more my side. Everything in there now. But while still dealing with badman benders, and so on as well.

Wyatt Pemberton:

So I know you do that for or at least I thought Brian would in 4477 back when rhinos racing was that a kind of under the wing tutelage thing as well to a point yeah

Dave Schneider:

met Brian back in 2012 at hammers and just kind of became friends from there and I let him actually race the original top shelf at Stampede a year later and he you know got himself a cage spot and had to had to hurry up get himself a car ready? And then that's how that happens. And then next you know, you're selling cars.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, I know there was a there was a guy that was working for Rick A long time ago mark that ended up kind of coming up and working for you guys for a little bit and then ended up just not liking Reno at all, and came back down to have a suit. But yeah, I started that I can't I don't know too many people that have worked at Trent fab, but you guys bust out some damn work and some beautiful cars.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, we we hit a little bit of a slow down here, this backlog of stuff and you know, we're down to one person that can do finish work and turnkeys up until about six months ago. So you know any anything involved 10 worker aluminum, you know, interiors and whatnot. those projects really, really took a time delay unfortunately, but you know, rollers chassis and stuff like that still go pretty quickly. But yeah, anything involved aluminum, or finished work really, unfortunately, kind of took a backburner just due to lack of manpower. And, you know, like Mark, not like in the Reno area. The cost of living here is it's not inviting for somebody to come move here for a job in this industry, because this industry doesn't pay as good as a lot of others do. And the cost of living here is I mean, we're turning into California so fast, it's painful.

Wyatt Pemberton:

So is that something that's on the horizon for, for you or for Trump? I think you know, I think this is a good segue. You build a new house now, right?

Dave Schneider:

Trying to how's that been going under cocodes almost got me to feed it on this one.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Kick your dick in the dirt.

Dave Schneider:

Oh, it's bad. You know, when this whole thing quit or started, the county just closed the office and said email only unless, and unless you're a contractor or a realtor, they don't respond. So what should have been a 60? Day close back in March? was six months for a piece of dirt? Yeah. Now there was a lien on the property that the sellers agent didn't disclose. And just, I mean, if it was a hurdle, they threw it out in front of us.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Just so whatever to slow it down, you know, bureaucracy grinding to a halt.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah. And then, you know, funding VA loans, new construction loans have all kind of gone into this weird Oh, we don't we don't know what we want to do right now. We're not really going to work with that, you know, let's see what the future holds. And

Wyatt Pemberton:

it's like, Okay, well, people's lives are in limbo. Yeah. And that's, you

Dave Schneider:

know, but I have a, I have a beautiful view up on a hill to go take a lawn chair and drink a beer and watch a sunset. Now. So

Wyatt Pemberton:

your current house though, I remember when you moved in there. And that's been a lot of years ago. And you used to have this again, amazing view. And now you have a view of another subdivision.

Dave Schneider:

I have a view of a charter school. Yeah, I had a view that went all the way out across the highway. And, like, from the porch off the master bedroom here, I can actually see the new property where the new house will be on the hill across the highway.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Oh, that's so so you're not moving too far?

Dave Schneider:

Nope. stone's throw away. I just, I didn't want a neighbor, you know, 100 feet away. And with, you know, multiple trailers, my toder you know, everything else I've got. It's a track home side yard access. And, you know, it never fails. Whichever trailer is the one in the back is the one I need next.

Wyatt Pemberton:

I think you've said that in the past as well. And then you had and then whichever one you move to get to it. By the time you were able to move it back. You already had like a letter from Hoa. Luckily, the

Dave Schneider:

HOA thing has died off. I'm I'm not the newest person on the street. And I'm not the one throwing backyard parties at two o'clock in the morning. So they don't look at me anymore. That's kind of nice. But you imported some heat. Yeah, yeah. right across the street from me. It's great.

Wyatt Pemberton:

They're awesome. Those guys are they're part of the rock zombies, right? Love those guys. They rip it. Hundred percent. Rip it. You're just laughing. It's cuz she gets a bed too early. Yo, man.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, yeah. So there's that?

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah. Oh, man. So what's next for you? If you get the house built? What's next for you and racing you. You've had a lot of goals. And you've checked in United talked about this a decade ago about checking boxes on on racing and racing experiences. What races? Haven't you you checked? What goals? Haven't you check the boxes on for offroad for you? Or just in Jason in general for you?

Dave Schneider:

I've only ever hit the podium at Keio Ah, once and it was third place. That's really the last one to check off. I mean, you know, I got a Series championship. But, you know, I've won other races. And so the lake bed is the one that's eluded me

Wyatt Pemberton:

salute. A lot of people help they've, you've got finishes, though. And a podium there even at third. There's lots and lots and lots of people that have never finished that race.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, yeah, there is. And, you know, I, I don't know. It's just, it's, it's the one thing I'd like to check off. But, you know, I was looking to do the 4500 class again this year, but I don't own that car. So kind of working with, with a car owner and, you know, he kind of wants me to buy the car from him. And until I can, you know, get a little further on the house thing and whatnot. I don't really want to part with the funds. Yeah, you

Wyatt Pemberton:

want line of sight, right? If nothing wrong with that line of sight on you know, yeah, there's there's so much uncertainty right now. Well, let's even back this up a little bit. Ky h 2021. Hashtag cailleach 2021. You think this thing's gonna happen?

Dave Schneider:

In some way, some level, I believe it's actually gonna go off. But how many people are allowed on the lake bed or, you know, how many feet apart we got to stay how much, you know, face shield with a mask and, you know, ventilator system and oxygen pack and who knows what else they're gonna force you to wear. But I mean, I was just down in the lake bed for Thanksgiving. And that was the biggest Thanksgiving weekend turnout I've seen on the lake bed in the years that I've been going down for a Thanksgiving weekend. Not a bit of any required rules, insight. Yeah,

Wyatt Pemberton:

it's kind of nice. It's like it doesn't exist. I mean, I'll tell you like where I'm at in Houston. It doesn't exist. I mean, it doesn't exist except for it exists from the front door of a restaurant to the table. And it exists in a grocery store. Those are the only I mean most most, I mean, The masking just isn't. It's just not enforced. I mean, I, I fully believe the virus is real, please, please don't don't, you know, hate me and say, you know, you're, you're putting out, you know, dispelling whatever. No, I believe it's a totally real virus. But I also believe, you know, what we've seen is 99.997% survivability rating. It's a virus, ultimately, as a herd of humans. We all need to get it. Yeah. herd immunity. Yeah. And and unfortunately, that's, you know, I think that is for sure. In this country is death and taxes. Right. And, and, and none of us live forever. Taxes anymore. Yeah, mostly taxes. And that's the thing about life, what they say don't take so seriously, no one gets out alive.

Dave Schneider:

Exactly.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Well, don't get me wrong, we all want to live as long as long as humanly possible. But you should be able to take your own precautions if you if you have asthma, or you feel that you are high risk. Don't put yourself in high risk situations, or what you believe is perceived or whatever the TV tells you is a high risk situation. So my concern about co h 21. is we're eight weeks away seven weeks away.

Dave Schneider:

ish. 50 something days, I saw Levi's counter on Instagram today, like 54 days or something?

Wyatt Pemberton:

I'm glad I didn't see that. Because that's that's not very many days, seeing when you put in days format that feels like a lot sooner than later. But yeah, I mean, the state shut down in a lot of regards. An event like that with permits like that, with 60 plus thousand people getting together there under a permit. I can see them pulling the plug on that thing. And that would just destroy yucca valley that would destroy everything in that little part of the world. And they rely on just the dollars coming out of that lake bed for that you know, 1012 days of a late January all of that first couple you know that first week in February I don't know I I want it to happen like nobody else's business. But just like everybody else we all want to happen. But Gosh, I can just see bureaucracy, playing a hand on it.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, no, I had to stop the little grocery store there in Lucerne on the way down to pick a couple last minute things we forgot up and grocery store was packed. Half the people mouth Taff weren't wasn't a big deal. I mean, traffic, you know, headed out towards the lake bed was just packed with people, you know, going to Cougar buttes and Bessemer, and everything else. And when we're leaving the 247 Cafe had, I'm not sure what was going on, like some sort of outdoor deal. Parking lot was packed, just I was almost standing room only in the whole thing. It was just great. There, there had to be 7500 people there just at the 247 parking lot. And, you know, we stopped for fuel in Barstow and it looked like nothing ever happened other than, you know, people had masks on, but it looked like life is normal. So I jumped

Wyatt Pemberton:

around a bunch on you. And because I totally wanted to be this a lot more organic than my regimented outline, because I do have a lot of history with you. But I also wanted to cover a bunch of stuff that if I, if I stay regimented, I would probably not say or do or get off on tangents, or whatever. But did we cover everything you wanted to cover? I miss any good stories. I know there's some good stories.

Dave Schneider:

I have a good Wyatt story to share.

Wyatt Pemberton:

I'm all for Wyatt stories, hopefully.

Dave Schneider:

So while we're Wayne's house, getting ready for VR, and we went up to Barstow and my rear housing cracked that day.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Okay, you remember that? Yes, yes, and having to rebuild your house and

Dave Schneider:

wanes and figured out a fix and putting together and you're like, Oh, we get this done. We go get some barley pops and Wayne just straight is could be turned around. There will be no alcohol in my home. I don't want that around my family. And you just like deer in the headlights kind of got flush. And Jeff and I both kind of side. I looked at each other and snickered. Because, you know, Wayne didn't realize that our big gold cups for seven and sevens the whole time. And now I didn't know I was like, got to the back seat of my truck. There's a cooler.

Wyatt Pemberton:

See, I don't even remember that. But I remember that I remember you always wore puka shell necklaces. And it was like a lucky necklace and you hooked it on something and the puka shells or whatever they call you know the beads. The beads are all over the floor and you're trying to recover them all because it had to do with luck. I believe it was luck or whatever. And I don't know if we got them all together. But the other thing that I saw that was awesome was you had the dancing hula girl. Yeah, on the dash. Yeah,

Dave Schneider:

we also have satellite radio in the car so we could listen to the Ellis show. Maybe we didn't turn it on but it was there.

Wyatt Pemberton:

We had some damn good times. And you know, I love what this community in what offered what ultra for is done for me. And I love seeing what it's doing for you know, younger guys that are coming in but you know I can trace the lineage back of my religion. If so many of them came out of xR a in 2007 2008. And then after that, it was everything that kind of branched out, I can almost always route it back to what happened in August of 2009.

Dave Schneider:

Just about that, that was a huge turning point for a lot of the industry just it drew so much attention. You know, because Facebook was getting popular pirate was still huge, you know, race desert was on it. You know, they made the little after video that really covered Well, just for the ultra for guys. And yeah, that was a huge draw that that really did pick things up for the sport.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, it was viral pneus. We didn't talk about the 4471 the first time burning, my guy ello burnt that thing to the ground. We always promised

Dave Schneider:

Mike I'd never sell him out on it.

Wyatt Pemberton:

It wasn't like totally his fault. I mean, it was totally his fault. It was

Dave Schneider:

driver error. We're we're out of Sand Mountain here out in Nevada, and you get in the dark and some of those bowls, they all start kind of look the same. You know, you've been given rides all day, and I drove up this sand hill and hook the front tires over and realized that this was a poor life choice and back down. Well as he's giving rides to his friends. He's like, oh, there's tire tracks up this? Well, it was a knife edge about 150 feet down on the other side. Sony got over the top, nose, tail, nose, tail. And then that went to a couple of barrel rolls.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Eventually the motor broke free of the mounts and just sheared kind of everything off. And

Dave Schneider:

yeah, motor mount tube sheared midspan of the tube, drop the motor down where the headers were wedged into the chassis, what broke the bellhousing. So pulled the converter out, fill the subframe in training fluid, the damage to the car, some bent tubes, you know, it needed some work the roof panels about 100 yards up the hill. And after they kind of got their bearings, hit Start button and the starter arc in the oil and that that was all she wrote for that one. Now what's funny is, so I got Jason's car, the rental to finish race in that season and I raced it. I had that car for quite a few years and I ended up selling it to doc Jones of all people. That's actually his trail rig now, things still around, I'd cut that car apart, kind of strategically to build a front half back in it later as a trail rig when I stretched it and trailing arm and so on. Well after the crash back of it was bent up. So I cut it back apart and sleeved the original rear half back onto the front and put new a pillars and reattach the shock towers. Well, Jason, have snn that is now his rear steer trail rig live in life. We actually traded cars at some point. He got that chassis back from me. He finished putting them back together and actually made himself a rig and he actually has docks car his original oh nine hammers car my rental back in his garage right now putting rear steer in it for Jeremy.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Oh, wow. Yeah, come full circle.

Unknown:

Yep.

Wyatt Pemberton:

So have you guys seen a revitalization and crawlers?

Dave Schneider:

Yes. Yeah, the the trail trail wheeling seems to really be making a big comeback. Especially with sand hollow getting so big. You know more people just want to recreate not so much race that trail cars. There's a lot more interest in in and I'd like to say we we have one already, but I have a drawing a one I just need to actually get somebody to turn into a reality.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Right? So that's what it felt like to me. You know, a lot of my friends. Well, I don't blame them for getting out of racing. I got it. I mean, it's expensive and time consuming. But man, we do love it. There's a reason why we do it. I mean, absolutely sure love of the adrenaline and the chase and he and chasing dust. There's no replacement for it. I mean, you can't even synthetically get that, you know, it's just it just doesn't exist. No, but you know, like, me and my buddy Chris summers, you know, summer summers has got his rear steer his rooster came out of the Northwest too. But um, yes, it seems like there's been this real resurgence of guys who were crawlers in the mid 2000s chased dust for you know, 567 810 years and are now returning help. Lauren Healy has a has a rock crawler now.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah, he's got a red dot. Yeah, it's pretty cool bill to see in person. They they did a lot of neat things with finishing that out for him.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, that's it's, I say, you know, got wrapped recently as it was, too. So, you know, picture yesterday, something like that. But anyway, yeah. And then I asked you about TJ floors earlier and then I got sidetracked What happened to that car? What happened to that 4400 car that TJ finished out that you guys started? Mike, I'll design the front end on

Dave Schneider:

the ifms one.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah. And he raised it as Brett gigaba from foil parts. His car is that What is that? Is that the car that the bender and him broke their backs in? Yeah, shut up.

Dave Schneider:

Yeah. Yeah that that's, I think I got his last name right. Yeah, goober.

Wyatt Pemberton:

I'm not sure how to say. But yeah, for for parts about that often TJ when it was done and TJ had race that was like it had a trophy truck body on it even at one point.

Dave Schneider:

It was a pro two pro four body that he trimmed down and, and hung on and he actually raced it in trophy truck at Silver State 300. And he was actually fourth on the road when the rear drive line failed, and did an around the world under the car and pretty much took all the plumbing out of it. Oh, he said he was going about 120 when I let go. I don't

Wyatt Pemberton:

know if you can see that. You can listen if you just see this lightbulb above my head just shattered. I had no idea. Their

Dave Schneider:

eyes got huge.

Wyatt Pemberton:

I did not know that was the genesis of that car. I had no idea. Huh?

Dave Schneider:

Yeah. No. And actually the straight axle the green and blue on that was in the Lv DC colors like his class one. Yeah. He actually TJ had a pretty good hand in the layout of the leading arm front suspension on that car that made it work so well. You know, in between Shane from Bill Stein sent me a bunch of old like Kirtland dubh photos and video clips and so on are the old factory jeeps with leading arm solid axles. And, you know, TJ, you know, making drawings back and forth, send them back and forth to each other to get the front end of that car figured out is you know, he ran that car for a couple coaches for us.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Wow. Okay, well, I'm kind of glad glad I remembered to bring that back up.

Dave Schneider:

TJ was a lot of fun to work with.

Wyatt Pemberton:

He just like to go to bed early. Yeah, yeah, he

Dave Schneider:

got up at three o'clock in the morning. But if the sun went down, he was gone. Completely.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Man, I don't want to end on a TJ Flores story but uh, did we cover everything you want to cover? I'm not so I wanted to I have a good time. I've been blessed you know I look at the show is like a you know, ability to somewhat give back to ultra for and get back to offer and get back to my friends but man, everyone that's been on has been for the most part has been a while they've been a friend after but was already a friend before I knew before I had some relationship before a man we were you know, we were tight a decade ago. And then after the unicorn kind of got built, we just didn't talk for a bunch of years. I think that there was somewhere in there that people thought you didn't thought May I didn't like yourself. I don't know what happened in there. But you know how miscommunications happen. But you know, I was very happy to rekindle and run into you at kth the last couple years and and it's always good to see you out there competing blessed to have guys like you still in my life. But I think a lot of us are still happy to have you in offered and offered most words like I said the walking talking off road encyclopedia if there's if there's a part that somebody needs to solve a problem that if they asked you about you would know the part number even that's that's what I think about you when I think about

Dave Schneider:

or at least how to cross reference and look it up.

Wyatt Pemberton:

Yeah, exactly. Something along those lines. Man to all the successes you've had in in in rock sports and Amanda many more. I know you're not hanging it up, but I'll see you hopefully in February, hopefully on the lake bed. If not, and hopefully we're there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, man, if we're good, we good. We're good, man, guys. I hope you guys really enjoyed this episode with with Dave DSI Schneider man, it was a good trip down memory lane for me. I enjoyed it, Dave. I hope you did too.

Dave Schneider:

I did. Thank you.

Wyatt Pemberton:

On that note, guys, we're out.

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