EP 38 Pam Hall

A play on the triumph and losses in performance and life.  The Talent Tank podcast will navigate the inner workings of lifestyle, lives, family, teams, careers, programs, and technology in and around the offroad motorsports industry.  What breeds success with your Talent Tank on full, failures when its on empty.  From the journey to the Starting Line to take that Green Flag, on to exploring trials and tribulations on and off the track in pursuit of victorious achievement and the Checkered Flag.

Rarer than a unicorn; a female motorsports announcer, but wait there's more.  She's also a veteran offroad racecar driver with 13+ years chasing dust.  No way you say!  Yes, Unicorns do exist!  On this episode of The Talent Tank, we are so blessed to be graced with ULTRA4 Racing's newest face to the LIVE feed, the lovely and super talented Pam Hall, @mrspamhall. 
Crank it up, put on your American Flag Bikini, and break off the knob because Pam kills it on the behind the scenes pre-running, King of the Hammers photography, keeper of the KOH WiFi master password, course marking, visor down time, Rebelle Rally, and how she came to be Co-Host of the Ultra4 Live Feed play-by-play.

Headshot provided by Alan Johnson @thedustygnome

After the Checkered Flag-
Anyone familiar with all of the prep and engineering work required to make a traditional race car will laugh when they see what it takes to set up a skidplate racer:
1. Strip the interior.
2. Relocate the battery away from the extremities of the car.
3. Weld the doors and trunk shut, then chain down the hood, too.
4. Replace the back wheels with metal skids.
That last part is the important one, but not particularly complicated. You take a regular, cheapest-wheel-in-the-universe steelie and weld a set of steel plates to it like a fat ski. It’s a few basic welds to make the skidplate and the wheel bolts right up to the car as before.
It is with this small change that makes the skidplate what it is: near-uncontrollable for the driver and unquestionably entertaining for anybody watching.

Traditional race cars are what they are because they try to be objectively better. Better accelerating. Better braking. Better handling.

Skidplate cars are intentionally worse. Losing all of the traction of your rear-wheels in a front-wheel drive car makes it want to slide absolutely everywhere. Lift off the gas and the car tries to spin out. Get back on the gas and the car pulls itself straight, until you feed in too much throttle, at which point the front wheels slip and the whole car tries to spin out again.

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Transcript

Intro/Outro: 0:02

Let's drop the green flag on this episode of the talent tank podcast with your host Wyatt Pemberton bringing you the best, fastest, most knowledgeable personalities and ultra4 and off road racing.

Wyatt Pemberton: 0:20

All right, all right. All right, here we go back in the talent tank. We go on this installment as you guys clicked on your like, Pam Hall. I know who Pam Hall is. She's currently announcing the ultra4's live show. We see her on TV with miles on the computer miles we see on Facebook, Instagram a little bit, but we don't know much about her. Today, we're going to find out. Pam Hall, Pam Hall. Pam, welcome to the show.

Pam Hall: 0:46

Hi. Hi. Thank you for having me.

Wyatt Pemberton: 0:48

I'm so excited about this. So long story short story, I don't know. But I'm sitting in an RV in Oklahoma with miles hostap his wife from pelicans named Bailey Haskins, Bailey, and one of her girlfriends, Sam, and we're sitting there and we're watching the live show because it was it was Friday. It was damn cold. No.

Pam Hall: 1:08

Yes, it was freezing cold. It was went from hot to cold.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:11

And they're like, why? Who's who's Pam? Like, well, you know, what's the story on this on this chick? And I'm like, man, to be honest with you. I really don't know much about Pam. I've met you in the Ultra4 media, media tent, at King of the Hammers. And you work the media tent? Taking care of?

Pam Hall: 1:28

Yes.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:29

How many? How many photographers were there this year? Like 400?

Pam Hall: 1:32

Oh, gosh, usually there's over 450 photographers, media videographers that we have to check in every single year. This year, there was more so well over 450 this year, but in the past, it's been always over that 400 mark.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:47

So that was where I met you. And you're just kind of keeping all the You're like a shepherd herding all the cats all around. And I was like, Oh, she's impressive. Like you were really impressive. You kind of had a commanding presence. And then next I know, I see you doing the live show. And then so these girls that I'm with in the RV, we're watching like Who is she? Like, you know what? Maybe I need to have her on that came up to the Nitto trailer to the Nitto lounge. And

Pam Hall: 2:12

yes, and they're not something that allowed you to get this warm,

Wyatt Pemberton: 2:15

and they're not paying me for this. So Nittos not paying.

Pam Hall: 2:18

Me neither.

Wyatt Pemberton: 2:19

Right. We're off the clock and I come in there and you know, sit down with you and miles and I watched it for a little bit. And then I came back on Saturday. And I thought about I really thought long and hard about let's get you on The Talent Tank. Let's find out who Pam Hall is. So here you are.

Pam Hall: 2:35

Here I am. Let's let's really find out who I am. Dig deep and

Wyatt Pemberton: 2:39

and you're so

Pam Hall: 2:40

I'm doing this for me.

Wyatt Pemberton: 2:42

And you're so bubbly and awesome and full of energy I have you know can fully see why you ended up with a microphone in your hand announced a live show. I think it's great. I can't wait to hear the story about how that even came to fruition. But

Pam Hall: 2:53

oh, it is definitely interesting. But yeah, that's that media tent, though. I was always I was named myself as the concierge of the media tents.

Wyatt Pemberton: 3:02

I think that's a fair statement. Right?

Pam Hall: 3:04

Well, yeah, I was always like checking people in and making sure they weren't good. Emily Miller started having me, you know, show them the maps and shuttling So anyways, we'll probably get into that more detail, though.

Wyatt Pemberton: 3:15

And fixing people's Wi Fi passwords like this. That's like super secret. If you guys,

Pam Hall: 3:20

yes,

Wyatt Pemberton: 3:20

you have to hand over your device, you guys can put it and then you hand it back.

Pam Hall: 3:25

There's literally three of us that know that password myself, Christy, Emily Miller doesn't even know it. And then normally the person that is doing the media in there with us for the Ultra4 pages. were the only ones with the passwords for that.

Wyatt Pemberton: 3:38

And you're gonna take that to your grave, right?

Pam Hall: 3:40

Yes, yes.

Wyatt Pemberton: 3:41

All the way.

Pam Hall: 3:42

And they're always giving LeadNav to it seems like I would always call home to my husband, hey, help me with getting leadnav on my device. And so I'd be giving it to the people that needed to know where to go out to photograph.

Wyatt Pemberton: 3:53

And the funny that's not funny. That's the wrong word. The fun thing I think that like what I've learned about you and know about you is you are a very veteran seasoned racer, you've got more than a decade of racing desert off road racing under your belt and and here you are showing up in Ultra4 and was like oh, who's this new girl? And you're not

Pam Hall: 4:14

New girl wants to race Ultra4

Wyatt Pemberton: 4:16

Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna put the petition out here with like throw up flares you know? Send out flyers you know get a get the Helo and some drones to drop flyers over Hammertown and be like, Pam Hall is available has helmet fire suit will travel.

Pam Hall: 4:30

Yes, I will travel with my fire suit and helmet always.

Wyatt Pemberton: 4:34

Well, I think the way you can spend this is if you get Travis Waldher and Dave and all that company to let you you know, actually, you know, it's it's probably more more Dan Lloyd-Campbell to put a microphone, you know, into your helmet and then you can do interviews on Racecourse, that's how you should sell this

Pam Hall: 4:52

that would be totally awesome or do you know live in camp, you know, in car, audio, and have a camera going so you can go on to the Live show as as you know, we're racing.

Wyatt Pemberton: 5:03

I think this is your angle. We're working on angle and trying to get you in there. But no, yes. So you're doing it. Oh 4400 angle for the 4400 right?

Pam Hall: 5:15

Yeah, that'd be smoother.

Wyatt Pemberton: 5:17

Save all your teeth get let's shook up, right. So yeah, you've been racing since like, 2007. We're gonna go into that in a little bit and like how you got indoctrinated into everything. dust and dirt and off road? You're a mom of a racer. You have a 12 year old son, he's a racer?

Pam Hall: 5:33

Yeah, we're Yes. Yes.

Wyatt Pemberton: 5:35

Talk about that little dude here in a little bit. And then you're a patriot?

Pam Hall: 5:39

Yes.

Wyatt Pemberton: 5:40

Yeah.

Pam Hall: 5:41

So, and today, my Instagram posts

Wyatt Pemberton: 5:43

Ah, I Well, that's what so I told you, you know, part of doing this kind of job, I make sure I do my homework on you. And I'm like, wow, and we go or headshots to write what pictures we're gonna use for headshots. And you and I went back and forth a lot, because you want to make sure you get the right one. I want to make sure you get the right one I want make sure you get one that you like. So yeah, I have to you know, e-stalk you slip So speak. Don't worry, I have to do it for the dudes too. So that's only it's only kind of awkward. You know, there you are stalking Casey Gilbert. And there's nothing but stuck tractors and or James Cantrell it's just blown out trailer tires. I mean, you you it's a you in American flag bikini with a you know, a flag and this chick rocks

Pam Hall: 6:26

couple firearms in my hand. Yeah. That was my fourth of July post

Wyatt Pemberton: 6:30

red blooded

Pam Hall: 6:31

American, and I love the flag. So

Wyatt Pemberton: 6:33

your red blooded American Girl, and we're doing it on today. Today's Election Day today's. So everyone's gonna hear this and by? Well, hopefully, you know, we haven't had some power. And we hope Oh, hope there's not lawsuits.

Pam Hall: 6:47

Did you vote? Did you vote?

Wyatt Pemberton: 6:48

I did. I early voted maybe two weeks ago? Yeah, I would have done it where I live in southwest of Houston and kind of a suburban County. That is? Well, I'll tell you right now, my school district, my kids school district is the number one most diverse school district in the United States. So if that tells you, you know, we may be a red state. Or maybe there's claims that we're going to be blue, but my county is 100% blue. So it's

Pam Hall: 7:16

Oh, gotcha.

Wyatt Pemberton: 7:17

And I do wear my political leanings on my sleeve. And I do feel like my vote is just a cancelling out of another vote here in this county. And probably the other side feels the same way. So

Pam Hall: 7:28

gotcha.

Wyatt Pemberton: 7:29

Did you vote?

Pam Hall: 7:29

Oh, of course I went today, I actually went because we moved here last summer to North Carolina from California. And I registered to vote last summer when I got my new driver's license for here. And I show up to vote in my county today and they can't find me. So they proceeded to tell me that I would have to fill out a provisional ballot. And my vote probably won't even count. I was so upset because I'm like, this is pointless to vote if I'm not, you know, if it's not going to show up and you know, count. So we left my husband and I we literally registered the same day. He was in the right County. I was in the right County. But they put me in the wrong County. I don't know what happened. But anyways, so I ended up finding out where I was registered to vote. And I ended up going and voting. So now my vote will count. So it makes me happy.

Wyatt Pemberton: 8:18

What? upset. You're a patriot, and you did the right roll. I mean, you did the best thing against all odds. Right?

Pam Hall: 8:26

Right, exactly. I didn't know I could go online and find out where I was actually registered to vote. He did that. I did not know I could do that. So but I did he he looked it up for me and made sure that he told me exactly where to go. And I went and I voted. So I actually voted twice a day, but my first one won't count. As I voted.

Wyatt Pemberton: 8:45

Well, there you go. So I mean, I think that kind of matters. At least in my mind. It matters for what like King the Hammers looks like I've been told that the permits are pulled like everything is ready. There's no chance it doesn't happen. What I've been told, but we're all skeptics, right? We've seen

Pam Hall: 9:01

I'm even skeptical too so

Wyatt Pemberton: 9:04

don't be we've seen what they did with COVID we've seen what the political spin on stuff so I know I'm getting definitely out of my lane in the lane of The Talent Tank when we're talking about COVID in politics as they

Pam Hall: 9:14

Right

Wyatt Pemberton: 9:15

where they go in this country but man i think that you know couldn't impact impact a racing impact a lot of the guys and how they make money to go racing to

Pam Hall: 9:23

Oh, exactly. It's not hurting I mean, I don't get political either. But it's it's hurting everybody not just businesses and stuff. It's hurting racers all the businesses actually that have to do with racing to So anyways, yeah, I'm not a political person myself. So

Wyatt Pemberton: 9:38

but but right but but we go we go vote we do. We do it. we uphold our obligation and we go handle business. That's that's what that's what we do. You can count on usto American flag bikini and the guns. Awesome. I think anyone that can pull it off, they should pull that off. I fully support I fully support. They're great. They're awesome. I know a little bit more about you and knew that the type of person I was gonna deal with an interview tonight. I was like, wow, this chicks awesome.

Pam Hall: 10:08

And my husband took those photos.

Wyatt Pemberton: 10:09

And he's a photographer. So I and now we're gonna get into that hairless. So look, let's talk current affairs outside of the election stuff. Okay, we're fresh off Nationals. We kind of mentioned that, you know, that's a week and a half ago, how nationals go for you.

Pam Hall: 10:22

It went great. I actually I was on another event for two weeks before Nationals. So I went from one event to the next. And when I showed up at Nationals I showed up on Monday and normally I don't show up till Thursday. Since I do announcing with miles I they don't have me come in till Thursday, because they don't need us till then in reality, but I showed up. And on Tuesday morning, I went out and I started doing course marking with JT Taylor. And rusty rusty was also there rescue Travis, who is normally at the start finish line. So it was so much fun to get out on course, and do course marking because I've never done that. It got me familiar with what the racers are going to be on. So we're doing the announcing was easier. So I actually did that Tuesday and Wednesday. So it was a completely different than what I am used to. But it was super hot. We're talking about whether it was it was super hot, like we were wearing t shirts actually like tank tops and shorts, doing the course marking and then come Thursday cools off, Friday come qualifying and everyone's freezing their booties off. And we're like layered up have hand warmers in our pockets. You know, and it's raining. But nationals was really good. I had a lot of fun. nitto was awesome for letting us use their their lounge to announce it. So it made it nice and cozy. I had a blast, I felt more comfortable because this was really my only my third time announcing on the live show. And so it was easier, I think, to announce this time being on course, doing my homework. miles is a good teacher. So he's telling me what I need to do. So I've been doing my homework. There's absolutely that knowing the course is absolutely imperative and to have experienced. I think that's why people that are our racers or have race do such a good job in that role of announcing they can convey in words, exactly what the guy with the helmet on in the race car is kind of going through at different portions of the course. So that was really cool. As cool. You also got to see the other side and you got to work with JT a good day with JJ is better than a bad day with JT so had a great day. It was awesome. He took me up health gate, which was one of the hardest obstacles on the course. We went up it he has a side by side. And so we were actually out pre running and not pre running. We were actually out course marking. He said he was going up and I said, Well, I want to get in because his daughter had been with him the whole time. And she went back early this on the second day. And it was on loop because there was a loop and a B loop. And so when he said he had a free seat and I asked him if I could go I'm like, heck yeah. So I jumped right in and put my four point harness on because he didn't have a five point but strapped in tight because it was. I mean, it's hard to explain it. But it was basically you had to pop up on straight faces and then get the front end down and then pop back up. But a lot of the racers didn't even use that line during the race. I would ask them when they would come in to interview with us. And they didn't use the line because they were told it was going to be slower. So when I saw a video, I think it was a rusty rusty.

Unknown: 13:26

Oh my gosh, I was so excited to see that. He did that he popped right up and he was he was up in 30 seconds. So that was that really gnarly

Wyatt Pemberton: 13:33

rock ledge when you came out of the creek to the right, it was a right hand turn and you went straight up at a 3035 degree angle. And it just looked nasty. Yeah. Yeah, that's

Unknown: 13:45

right. Exactly happy Pappy. But if you stayed to the left instead of going up you were you stayed in the creek for a little bit longer. And then you you know, it was a longer way around. But they said it was faster, but I don't I don't know how fast it was. Actually,

Wyatt Pemberton: 13:59

I think rusty said he passed three people there each time he did it was what if I recall correctly? And then so you write with JT and then did you wish him happy birthday? Yes. Always. Every day is always every day is JT is happy. Happy birthday, JT. I hope you're listening to this on your windshield time. But JT had his daughter out there we'll talk about but you brought up Maddie. Maddie, his 15 year old daughter. She's. I've met her one other time. But she's amazing. So she I don't know if she was an aspiring photographer. It just kind of got put on but I think she showed some interest with Rhonda How about photography. And then the amazing Alan Johnson who was on the town thing just a couple weeks ago, he loaned her some camera gear and she went out on course during the race and the pictures that came back from that 15 year old girls I amazing, like

Unknown: 14:47

are amazing. I

Wyatt Pemberton: 14:48

killed it. Like she's your professional grade and 15. So I think I mean, I think as a group, entity, a family, a community, whatever should you know, I think you support those who support you and I think we should be like fostering fostering our youth and and there's some stuff that you're doing in the future that I think is awesome along those lines about fostering the future but yeah, I think she's one of those people that I mean she's JTS kid we're gonna she's gonna she's already under the wing of ultra4 so it's a foster whatever her interests are. Exactly and she is she's an awesome 15 year old I had spent time with her out on the course marking and then also at night we would have dinner like we had dinner at area 51 there one night and just every night at dinner she's just super super awesome to sit and talk with and then to like you're saying to see those photos that she took I would not have ever guessed that she took those photos like they look like somebody like Alan or like you're saying Rhonda or somebody that seasons took those photos she has a great eye and that's the thing that you as I've done this show like an Alan can vouch for us what's your headshot? Everyone is going to see your headshot was attached the artwork for this that we talked about or that's an allen Johnson white collar publishing picture Allen Allen took your picture. I don't remember what event it was from I think it maybe was from a while but anyway is it he was Allen take some great headshots and so he and I, he always plays me when I don't make any money in this so he loves what I'm doing. And so he you know, he's, he's always good about that. Lana Scott's another one that always gives me good pictures. But yes, but as you go through, at least at this point, going through all these other photogs pictures from an event, I see a style like I can tell a style I can tell who the photographer is before I look scroll up or scroll down on social media even see who it was. I can almost I can't get them all right all the time. But majority of the time like I can tell an allen Johnson photo from just about anywhere now, he's told me on text these thing about changing lenses. So if he changes lenses that may curveball me and I'll have to readjust but yeah, yeah, that's, I love what the photons do. I really love it. matita. But let's back to you. Just course marking getting out there, seeing the course, learning what it takes to get the event set up. I mean, it's like King hammers is just a smaller scale about setup. I mean, there was still timing trailer, there's still the media trailer, there's still booths. They're still vendors, there was still food trucks.

Unknown: 17:15

Yes. Oh, that was not involved in any of that part.

Wyatt Pemberton: 17:19

Now that's okay.

Pam Hall: 17:22

No, it was very interesting, though, to be there early like I was, because Dave Cole, he didn't even I mean, think he arrived, I think was either Monday afternoon or something as when they showed up. So being there from the beginning of how they set the whole, you know, national race up was very cool to see and be a part of, and just the ultra4 family is awesome. I love hanging out with them and learning. I mean, I've seen same course markings because of being on the racecourse. But being a part of actually doing it. That was a blast. Like I hope I told JT I said, Hey, I'm on board anytime you need help with that. So hopefully, hopefully, well, your street cred and your street cred is going like through the roof right now. Like that's, like, That's good stuff. And it is part of the homework, homework and getting, you know, so you know, not just what the racers are going through. But you're starting to learn who the guys are and what their cars look like, and where they're from. And so, you know, you've seen names I know, you've seen lists and lists and lists and social media of guys names. But now you're actually pressing the flesh and shaking hands and you're kind of learning who they are like who they are. Right. Right. Exactly. I'm trying my best. Oh, no, you're kidding. I think you're killing it. That's why you were sitting down tonight. So you you got some really amazing good news this week, though. Right? You got some really amazing good news because we're on the we're kind of on the eve of a big race that goes on once a year south of the border. Yes. So you want me to go ahead. Oh, I love your news. So yesterday, I was driving in town doing my normal mom duties and grocery shopping and I get a phone Actually, I got a text message from Julie Boyer, who has been racing quite a while herself. And she proceeded to ask me to call her so I give her a call. And she asked me to be a part of her team for the Baja 1000. So I am now going down and racing and driving part of the Baja 1000 for roughly almost 200 miles on the Pacific side, racing the mill Look at you, oh my gosh, it's something I've always wanted to do. My husband did it. He won it back in 2011 in our class 10 car, but every since then, I've always wanted to race it and when we had our candy, I wanted to race it and it just didn't happen. So to be a part of this is awesome because literally like she is in it for the championship as well. So it's kind of it's an honor to be a part of a team that is not only going for the championship, but it's also all women.

Unknown: 20:00

Drivers very excited

Wyatt Pemberton: 20:02

to work for the other drivers.

Unknown: 20:04

Emily Shapiro is one of them. Julie Boyer, myself and then me Hall. So it's all women co drivers or co drivers except me Hall has bones qudra I think is how you say his last name. He is the only male that's actually going to be in the car and it was just it came down to availability of everybody. So pretty much an all female team which is pretty cool. I think it's pretty cool. It's gonna be a rough ride though.

Wyatt Pemberton: 20:29

I think it is. Wait, you know we go behind the scenes here. What are women do for like, you guys have race cats. What do women do in a race car? You see,

Unknown: 20:40

well, I have worn a depends before in a race car and used it and it was not comfortable. So I will not be using it depends. I hear they make female catheters I've never not catheter but it's like a cup. Yeah, the hose like the guys. I don't know how that works. So I don't know if I'm going to do that or pee in the seat. So I feel bad for whoever's after me if I do pee in the seat. Well,

Wyatt Pemberton: 21:03

I think that happens. I've climbing a seat that a guy is peed in and sat down and you don't realize it until it's delayed. It's not like you immediately get wet. It's right. It has to seep through your fire suit. And by then you're just you're just hot and wet inside me at that point. It is disgusting. And but at the same time. Yeah. I don't know that there's there's not another alternative. I mean, isn't even guys wearing racecars? It's not. You know, when it's not if you have a failure, it's when like, you will have a failure on your race calf.

Unknown: 21:39

It has happened my husband's had it actually happened to him before. And then he comes out with a wet fire suit. But what sucks about it though, is you think it's easy to pee while you're driving in it is so not easy. You have to I mean, you have to be in a speed zone to even try to do it. Because you can't pee when you're going. However fast we'll be going and you know, bouncing around. It's not easy. You have to really think about it.

Wyatt Pemberton: 22:03

And walk walk, walk walk. Yep. I never had that problem. I have no problem going at speed. No problem. Like, it just I get I guess that's a benefit. I could you know, is all it took was just I just think about it for a second. Get Started. I continue on with my drive. And then I'm kind of like, Okay, I'm kind of done. And but I've never I've also never had I've never had a race cap failure. But I have stepped on it a couple times. You know where it hangs on the bottom of your boot. Cody Addington had his on at Nationals. And he was standing next to me. And he went to shake my hand or hug me or something. I just reached out and tried to, like, purposefully and intentionally try to step on it. And as soon as you relax, so what I was doing, he started dancing around like don't don't step on that.

Unknown: 22:53

Oh, yo, my husband does I gotta tell you this. I know this is not about me. It's about him. But he keeps it on for quite a while and he'll literally like keep it on underneath his shorts, or pants or whatever he has on so he can just still hang around and have a beer after the race and not even worry about going pee. Oh, well sit there and stare at you talking up?

Wyatt Pemberton: 23:10

Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, you just dig a little little hole with your with your toe. Just kind of kick it like a like a dog or cat covers there. You just kind of kick some dust over it. And yeah, it's like time catheter talks, you know? Awesome. So yeah, you so you're driving the mill that's coming up and you're going down? Are you gonna pre run your section a bunch? Or what's kind of the plan around matter? Do you guys have that figured out yet?

Unknown: 23:39

Well, literally, this came about yesterday. I am now leaving Tuesday as in a week from today I'm going to go down actually I'm going to find a Bakersfield where I used to live because that's where the boilers live as well. And I will will be leaving on Wednesday. So a week from tomorrow we'll leave for the thousand will pre run. I'm not sure if we're gonna appear on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, exactly what the plan is. But we're going to get down there pre run. And then I'm just going to stay down there after we pre run. And then the rest of the team will be down in two weeks. And we'll check the car and get our IVs because actually Julie Boyer does the finish line IVs. So she hydrates the drivers. So we'll get hydrated. And yeah, I'm excited about that, because I don't want to be racing dehydrated. The rest of the team will come down and then I'll come home after the thousands of I love adventure. And I have this mug that says say yes to new adventures. And this is a new adventure and I'm super excited about it. Sucks. My You know, my husband's not gonna be going but I'm going racing. Yeah, it's not the first time I've gone racing without him. Right.

Wyatt Pemberton: 24:48

And from a guy's perspective is how many times do we go racing without our spouses or like, Hey, I'm out here sometimes very happy with it sometimes or not, but I love that you brought up the hydration and getting the IV When the team Indiana guys we're gonna go race Vegas to Reno back in August. We were on a text chat and I was like, dude, you guys need me you know sign if you're going to even if you're not going to go hit mucho mas surveyss the night before, you should probably still get the IV it I mean, it's, you know, on on a hot race in a hot race car. Oh, man. I mean, yeah, we saw a mistake that happened at at Nationals. And I don't know if it was, I believe was fatigue. I mean, I actually didn't have I never asked him about it. But Josh Bleiler national championship, he's in the running from national title. It's endurance racing. So it's not just keeping the car together it's keeping you physically mentally in the right place to make the right decisions. And he missed driving over one of the timing loops and had to do B loop again, I think is how it worked out. And that's how Miller wins Nashville and and part of that is staying hydrated and the first thing to go when you get the higher is vision and thought and your thought process you start your mind starts wandering and you make mistakes and sometimes those are costly like you want up a car and times are costly. You lose nationals, you'd lose the national. Yeah, that was a bummer. That's awesome, though. So she does that.

Unknown: 26:15

She does that she actually was the one of you Vegas Reno doing those IVs

Wyatt Pemberton: 26:19

also, then that's probably who Jonathan tahune and in company got their IVs from

Unknown: 26:23

Yeah, more than likely because it's her that she's building a business on and it's you know, I never heard of it. And then the last time I raced to Vegas, Reno myself was I believe 2008 teen and she was there doing them and I failed to get one and I should have because I myself got a little dehydrated. Vegas. Reno is my favorite race to actually drive. So, so far I felt Yeah, it's the best race. It's the best race in North America. Well it in America.

Wyatt Pemberton: 26:51

Yeah. I'm with you. I like I like the fire roads. It's just so dusty. And it's the first week of August. It's so hot.

Unknown: 27:00

It's just it is ridiculous. hot it is. I've heard rumor. They might switch it up this year, next year and go from Reno to Vegas. I'll be back. I don't know who I heard it from but oh my gosh, if that. That would be awesome. A lot of people have always said they need to do that. And if they actually do it, how super cool. Would that be end in Vegas and party in Vegas afterwards? I'm done.

Wyatt Pemberton: 27:23

Yeah, I mean, Reno's nice to party in but Vegas is Vegas. So do you change the name as RTV?

Unknown: 27:32

I would have to? I would hope so. I don't know. I don't know.

Pam Hall: 27:38

Well, well, let's, let's go. Let's let's get the flashback doin let's get back into who Pam Hall is and find out about you. So you, you were born in Elk City, Oklahoma, which really isn't that far from Davis, where we raised was maybe an hour, hour and a half. But probably about an hour and a half hour and 45 minutes. It's on the I 40. It's in western Oklahoma. I was born there a long time ago. But my dad was born there as well. So my family was from that area, or my dad's side of the family was from that area. And then when I was seven years old, my parents my dad's family, we they sold the family farm that we lived on. And we moved to California where my mom's family was from. So I lived the next 35 years in California, and then up and moved to North Carolina last year with my husband and my child and Yeah, got away from the west coast. But yeah, Oklahoma. I know we've been back a few times. I really do. I drive through there I've never lived i like i like partying Oklahoma like it seems like I'm always recreating there. It's like between Grand Lake on the water growing up as a kid or going to Disney Oklahoma with rock crawling or going to Sayer for like dirt Riot or going to Davis for you know, ultra4 or going to little Sahara to the dunes.

Wyatt Pemberton: 28:54

Oklahoma has a lot of offroad and outdoor activities. Surprising. Yeah. Yeah, it does. I'm learning all about it. And I guess there's a what mid America is another Association? Yes, that well. We're gonna be there next July. Are we gonna be there? Bring him. I want him to race it. So j Oklahoma. It's next July. I think chip brought this up a little bit we're talking about it's apparently an eight day off road outdoor festival. And ultra4's are gonna be there. Or at least there's a spot for him. I don't think it's a nationals point only as a national point race, but I think it's kind of like they're gonna have it set up like a Crandon. I can be off on that, but it's not on our schedule. It's not no, Dave purposefully intentionally took me and introduced me to Jason that is doing it so I'm, I'm excited for it. I'm looking forward to what they pull off there. But yeah, a lot of stuff going on in Oklahoma. But you live in on me. niebo niebo nivo It's a super small town. I know we don't have a stoplight. Oh wait, no. We have one stoplight. And it's in it's like northwest of Charlotte oldways. How long does it take you over there?

Unknown: 29:58

It takes me about an hour and a half. half to get to Charlotte well to the airport anyways, but I live on Lake James. So Lake James is a big lake here that we found five years ago fell in love with the place moved here but niebo is what our town. We're our township is, but I'm on the cusp of morganton, which is a bigger town. Okay, so I usually say I'm from morganton, not niebo. Because niebo is like, Where's niebo?

Wyatt Pemberton: 30:24

A dot?

Unknown: 30:25

It's kind of like, Where's randsburg?

Wyatt Pemberton: 30:26

Right? So how did you how did you get you in Christian find? Find morganton and then just say, we're punching out of California and going all the way for timezones different,

Unknown: 30:39

right?

Wyatt Pemberton: 30:40

How does that how does that happen to walk walk us through that? I'm fascinated?

Unknown: 30:45

Well, we always knew we wanted out of California, we just didn't know where we wanted to go. So we actually had traveled with some friends to Idaho, and stayed there for like a week and my best friend actually lives in Texas. And so she at the time, she lived in Denton, Texas. And I was going back and forth, probably every three months visiting her and I told Kristen, I'm like we have to move to Texas. Like we can move to Texas, we can have land. You know, we can have a nice house like we have a nice house in California but land where we were was just outrageously expensive. So we had some other friends that the wife is actually from North Carolina. She was born and raised here. She moved to California. She was married to a movie star moved to California but remarried one of our friends. They finally got us to come out and visit them here. So they had a little tiny trailer on in an RV park on the water. So we came in, visited and stayed for four days. The other four days of our trip, we were going to Texas because that's where I wanted to move. And we absolutely fell in love with it so much that when we were in Texas, we were there for like one day and I turned to Krishna, I said, we're not moving here. We're moving to North Carolina. So literally two weeks later, we bought a tiny home, which is a park model. It's 400 square feet. It was within the RV park, but it's like a cabin. So we bought it so we could vacation here. So we came every summer for two months, because of the business that we had. We were able to leave it for roughly a month and a half to two months every summer. And we knew right away, we wanted to move here. So like I said two weeks after we visited we bought that place. We showed back up here three other times within that same year, started looking for property and it took us three years to find property and to decide how to get rid of the business that we had. Because he was a photographer owned a studio for 20 something years and you know, we had a very well established business there. And that's we work together so yeah, anyways, but we moved here. Love it. Hank loves it. He has property the right is derbycon he's made new tracks. We have a like almost a 10 acre pasture that I hop on the tractor and I bush hog it because that's the way we mow it here. Yeah, right. Takes me six hours on a tractor to do but we can. We're not my tan. No, I wear a boat hat like like the big like shade hats because I don't want a tank top tan. So after I'm done doing that the next day we'll go out on the lake and then I'll get my regular tan.

Wyatt Pemberton: 33:12

So like you don't want like the white trashy one you want like the bikini one? Yeah, like there's right there's

Unknown: 33:19

just making friends.

Wyatt Pemberton: 33:20

I mean, I I should have known the difference, but Dude, I didn't I do know why like, but I wouldn't. Yeah, I guess that would be different. If you see like a girl with like a tank top tan with a bikini on like so it'd be Yeah. Red, or tan, white and then the strap and that would be Yeah, that'd be pretty trashy actually, that might actually that might turn some guys on I might be the thing I would but

Unknown: 33:48

no, we were off the races so much because of my kid that I used to get tanktop tans because of being batteries track all the time, like, every weekend. So now now I don't have to worry about it. We go out on the lake and the hubby takes me to this island that we all hang out on and I get me a regular tan.

Wyatt Pemberton: 34:07

Perfect. So so you You said your dad was from Oklahoma. And then when you guys moved to California. So in your mom and dad, I think I think you lost your dad last year. Is that right?

Unknown: 34:19

I did. I did. Yeah, sorry. We moved here. It's okay. I you know, I'm actually it's sad. I miss him. And this year on Father's day I woke up. I woke up going I can't forget to call my dad today. And then I realized I was like, I can't like he's not here. So he told me last summer when we the day we were leaving. He said When are you coming back to California. I said I'll be here in September. Hank has a race because we're flying back and forth. And he said I won't be here so he knew he knew. But with COVID and the election and everything. It's better off my dad is not here because this would have been driving all of us bonkers because he was getting Alzheimer's. So I'm sorry. That's rough.

Wyatt Pemberton: 35:01

Yeah. No. And then your mom is like a super strong individual.

Unknown: 35:06

She is she has she has a lot of health issues. But she's super strong. She's staying with us and not staying with us here in North Carolina. But she just she's not ready to go anywhere. She wants to see your grandkids growing up and but she has osteoporosis. So her back is broken like six places and won't ever heal. And yeah, yeah, it's just, you know, I've learned I've learned by family members and watching my parents of don't smoke. Don't you know, just take care of myself. So that's what I do. I try to do my best. But no smoke. Yeah, don't smoke. Don't smoke. Yeah. Exercise.

Wyatt Pemberton: 35:49

You preaching to the choir, I need to do more of exercising. I need to lose some weight. My diabetes doctor, I had an appointment last week. And I like, yeah, you need to do these things. Ah,

Unknown: 36:00

yeah, it's hard. It is. It is hard. But my mom is a super strong individual. She's She's definitely been here for me for my whole entire life, obviously, but she's just super strong. And she's the kind of person that goes doesn't care where she has no filter, and she'll tell you what she thinks and

Wyatt Pemberton: 36:22

made you who you are.

Unknown: 36:23

Yeah, yeah. And she's just she's always been a hard worker. But she just the strength that she has to keep carrying on with the health issues that she has alone tells me what kind of person she is. And I just, that is the hardest part of being so far away. And living in North Carolina was 2700 miles away from my mom is like the hardest thing I like sometimes will stand at my counter and all of a sudden I just break out in tears because I think to myself, I can't just drive over and see my mom, and it's the weakest part of her life. So next week, she doesn't know it yet. But next week, when I go to California before we leave for Mexico, I'm actually going to show up and surprise her so nobody knows I'm coming except the person I'm racing with and my family here. So I'm just going to show up and surprise her.

Wyatt Pemberton: 37:12

Or she'll listen to this on Monday morning which is everyone else's

Unknown: 37:18

I'm not going to share it yet until I get there.

Wyatt Pemberton: 37:21

There you go. There you go. Well, you know she sounds like the type of individual like when you run across them in life and you realize like how good they are like you always keep them close to you You keep them in your back pocket here. We all have friends that we've collected friends because we just jive with them that well and we feel that good based on our own individual criteria that they are these amazing individuals so we keep them closer your mom sounds like one of those people. She is she is definitely that is awesome. So your dad not with us anymore but he is kind of one of the reasons you kind of were probably ended up with Christian your husband because he Motorsports he. Your dad was a circle track racer.

Unknown: 38:01

My dad was a struggle truck racer growing up so I living in Oklahoma, he used to race at a track in Altus, Oklahoma, and it was a circle track. It was a pavement track at the time now it's dirt but I used to that's where I spent my Saturday nights when my dad was racing. I just remember going going and watching my dad race and then watching my mom be like crewchief kind of like I am to my son's racing watching that and then when I moved to California he he still raced and he did circle track there as well but on the dirt and then growing up you know the whole racing everything. So my husband is desert off road My dad was circled tracks so I just naturally was I guess attracted and had a lot in common with Christian because of the racing. I didn't really know him before so I didn't race a lot. Like I didn't go to any desert races until after I actually married him to be hot. Oh no, no, we were dating when I first raced with him but that's

Wyatt Pemberton: 39:04

but you were already kind of like you already kind of had one leg in the ratio or anything like cuz sometimes it's hard to you know, explain Yeah, relationships maybe never even get off you know that they're on the right foot because the guy is always in the shop and the the girl a girlfriend where it feels like she's competing with the racecar I'm competing with the shop time and all those are competing with right or they're always gonna play second fiddle to that and that's and then there's somewhere that they are already in that they're like, you didn't know any better.

Unknown: 39:35

Now No, I did. I actually my mom has pictures of me from when I was a kid and my dad was working on a truck or something. And I'm like next to my dad like I was the tomboy of the family. Well, I guess we were all tomboys because we lived on a farm but I was late. My parents tried one more time for a boy and they got me. So I have two older sisters, but I was the one who like went into the racing side of it. So I It's just kind of cool to like, look back at pictures and see my dad working on cars and I'm right next to them or the race cars. I remember him taking me taking me for a drive down. We had a dirt road in Oklahoma that we lived on. And I remember him taking me for a drive in his race car. And that was so much fun. And I think I was probably five, maybe four or five years old when that happened. And I just still remember that. And that's the love of speed and race cars, you know, has always been there with me. And then when Christian throws me in his car, hey, you want to drive my race car? I'm like, sure. And that was it. But I also grew up with this girl named Amber, her brothers, Kevin Harvick. And so I grew up actually going as when we were younger, I would go to his go kart races with her and her family. And then as he got older, and he started racing, bigger cars, we would go out and watch him on Saturday night. So I've always been around the racing world. I no longer speak with Kevin Harvick, but, I mean, he is who he is. Everybody knows who he is. I definitely I missed those Saturday nights at the racetracks watching people race and like, well, I guess I see my kid do it, but it's just something I grew up doing. It's my life. And so it's why I love racing so much, and people don't get it, but it's just been my whole life.

Wyatt Pemberton: 41:23

We're gonna mix it up a little bit and kind of kick it out a little a little bit out of order. So we've talked about Christian and we talked about Hank a little bit. So. So Christian, you and Christian, you've been married for how many years now?

Unknown: 41:36

It'll be 13 years on November 17. And I think that's the day Vol. 1000 is no, it's the week I'll be in Baja on our anniversary. Happy anniversary.

Wyatt Pemberton: 41:48

Poor guy you're out ripping it. I mean, no love. That is true love. And, and Christian. He's a professional photographer. Yes, he

Unknown: 41:56

did that for 20 something years when moved here. He packed it up and said, I'm done. And he's not doing it anymore.

Wyatt Pemberton: 42:02

So how did you guys meet? How did that friend mutual friend set you guys up?

Unknown: 42:07

Yeah, mutual friends didn't set us up. We were just at a house party. And we just, you know, you know when you know. And so we had a connection. And then I actually worked for him for five or six months and then we decided to give it a try. And then we were inseparable. So the day we got married, I got fired. I still had to run the studio for him

Pam Hall: 42:35

for less pay. I didn't get a paycheck.

Unknown: 42:39

Actually, I didn't get a paycheck. He paid me and racecars. Yeah,

Wyatt Pemberton: 42:43

yeah. Which I've seen some. So again, I saw a video of it was a Saturn it was you guys had a little two door, Saturn. And I want to say like, what did he do? He put like McDonald's trays or something or plastic pipe or some form of rear tires. So it's basically like a two wheel drive drift car.

Unknown: 43:04

It was okay. So in Baker's car. Well, yes, it had to be front wheel drives. But in Bakersfield at Kern County Raceway, they were starting a skid pan class. And so we were racing. It was a class. So the whole thing was the car had to be no more than $500. So literally Christian, being Christian, because he can find deals. Even if they're not out there, he can find a deal. So he finds three front wheel drive cars at a junkyard that actually still ran. And he purchased all three of them for 1100 bucks. So we had three skid pan cars, we had one that we'd let people drive. And like we'd have friends, hey, come out for the weekend and have fun. And then he would drive one and I would drive one. And then they put steel plates. I don't know how thick they were on the rear wheels. They took the tires off the rear wheels, and they welded them to the weld to the wheels. And then they put chains to the car. So they wouldn't fly off. And then you had a skid pan, and they had to be front wheel drive. But I kind of got messed out of the whole deal because mine was a stick shift. You could not have a stick shift and do a skid pan. It just didn't work. Right. So anyways, Christian ended up becoming the track champion. Oh, really? Yeah. But that was so much fun. We would we would, you know, play around at our shop on our concrete pad that we had there at our race shop to like, make sure the car was working right and stuff. But the best part about it was the track is the one who did all the work on them. They ended up putting the partial roll cages in them. They put all the skid pan stuff on them and they housed the car so we didn't have to do anything to them. Holy smokes.

Wyatt Pemberton: 44:44

I saw that I was like, I just want to do one just to you know, mess around with them in my neighborhood, you know are out in front of my shop and just to mess around with and then No, it's a series. Oh, wow. I'm gonna manually come here. I bet there's idiots around here that do that too. And I've done my typing I've seen that I've seen videos. I've seen that. Yes, I actually have seen that part. Okay, yeah, it's not as fun. I just looks like a lot of mess.

Unknown: 45:12

It is because they make it a mess. Because you put beer cans and like empty cans and stuff in the door. And then when you turn, everything flies out, so you're trying to mess with the person behind you.

Pam Hall: 45:25

Just Just dump and dump and stuff out on the track. And then, and then you guys, you guys have an amazing son Hank, he's 12. Yeah. And yeah, you guys are bringing him up, right? He's racing. And he basically from watching he everything, everything that has a wheel and a motor. He is he is all into. So tell us about that. Yes. Okay, so he started racing at five years old. We bought him a trophy cart for Christmas. He was actually five and a half. We bought him a trophy carts, which a lot of people know what those are. They raced with Lucas Oil off road like the off road and the regionals. And he couldn't actually go race until he was six years old with Lucas Oil. But at the time, funny story, Julie Boyer, who I'm racing with at the thousand, she had a series called for racing, and it was at Glen Helen. She invited us down to go race with her series. And so Hank had his first race when he was five and a half years old. And he just non stop from there. Once he turned six. We went to Lucas Oil. He raced that for, I don't know, like four years, I think it was four or five years. He went from a junior one class to a junior two, which is just the same car different motor size, started in circle track. Once we put him in circle track, it totally changed his offroad style. They helped each other like his driving style from one to the other. Just it just from sliding in the circle track to going in taking the corners and Lucas Oil. It just it taught him a lot. It melded well. Exactly. And then he went into a bandolero at 10. So he's 12 now so at 10, we got my bandolero, which is like a miniature NASCAR style, they can go upwards into like the 70 mile per hour feed. And once we put them in that he podium, his first race and it was very nerve wracking because he's racing against kids that are going for championships and they're seasoned racers, and they're like three years older than him. But he ended up podium, he was third places first race. We pushed and pushed and pushed and he wanted to win a championship. So 2019 of course, the year that we moved to North Carolina is the year we go for a championship. So he ended up winning three championships in 2019. So I won the West Coast national championship, the state of California and then Kern County raceways track championship. And then he got third place in the national touring points because we went to so many different tracks. So we were those crazy parents that year, but it was all for him. He got his Hoosiers purple jacket that he wanted. There's a champion jacket that Who's your does, and yeah, but now and he also raises an RS one whenever we can. Which is obviously we all know that's a single seat 1000 cc, Polaris RS one for adults, but the kids are starting to race them now. And he went in 2000 I think it was 2019. Before we moved here he raised at the UTV World Championship in Laughlin in a exhibition class to see if the RS one with a restrictor in it would be competitive towards the Polaris 570. Matt Martelli. They all knew, you know, his exhibition class. We're trying it out to kids, my son and then Justin Lambert's kid Jackson. They were the only two that ran RS one in the 570 class start dead last out of 30 something cars. My kid passed every single car and one overall in that race. So he passed 30 something cars in one. And he came in with tears in his eyes because he knew he had just passed every single car. But exhibition, it wasn't recognized. We all knew that going into it. He knew that going into it. But he still did that interview with Tiffany stone up on stage and did everything and was so happy and so pumped. But we didn't get to go back this year. So we could redeem it right here. Such a bummer, but actually I was at the rebel rally I was working the rebel rally during it so I wasn't we weren't we didn't go Yeah, I'm trying to get him in ultra4 though. I want him to be an ultra4 racer. So all we have to do is build this Rs one up for ultra4 then talk to elite leave I surely has a line on some fake IDs because I was getting ready to talk about we're gonna talk about a Hank Hall. Well, he turns 18 this year. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it'll be it'll be 18 for the February 2021 race. Yeah, exactly. That's exactly how that's how that works. We just put it out there and it makes it makes it real. It's not 1218 Yeah, I missed

Wyatt Pemberton: 49:56

my notes wrong. My note my notes. Oh,

Unknown: 49:58

yeah. 18 Yeah. I mean, I'm old enough that I couldn't have an 18 year old.

Wyatt Pemberton: 50:02

I'm old. I don't know, I didn't go do the math. I'm really terrible with it. So

Unknown: 50:08

I'm older than a lot of people think. So. It's a good thing, I guess.

Wyatt Pemberton: 50:11

So you guys, you moved to North Carolina. That's basically the offer not offered racing. But it is the honor of racing kind of Mecca of the world, you guys are kind of there in the dig. So is in circle track is really big there. So you see that being something of a future for Hank being something in that part of the world,

Unknown: 50:29

it would be nice and he would like that. But in the reality and the scheme of the whole entire picture, to become you know, even ARCA racer, you have to come in with a lot of money for that. And some people do get sponsors. But honestly, we're not pushing like we did on the west coast. We came here to chillax a little bit. And if you want to put it if I were to put it that way, he does race but just not like we did there. So we are actually right now in the works of trying to figure out for 2021 do we want to get rid of his circle track car and just focus on whatever we can with him and off roading because they do have some offroad associations here. But as they call it, they're racing in the sticks. So we had to put rock guard or tree guards on the tires. So he doesn't totally get tangled up in a tree, hopefully, but that's what we're working on right now trying to figure out what we're doing for 2021 because we're self funded race team. We're not

Pam Hall: 51:28

and that's fair. I mean, look at what happened you know, just look at what happened a nationals look at what happens the last couple, you know, hammers look at guys like Eric Miller, look at guys like Josh, nobody is faster in tight rocks and trees than Josh plyler. Like, and Eric Miller's has to real catch up to him. So anyone that's riding on Josh's coattails on that and it's those guys, and they're so fast, and the rocks are so fast, and the trees the tight stuff. So it's because they grew up doing it, you know, the those guys running the line mountain series. That's all they know. So if you raise Hank for the next he does a bunch of tight, you know, tree races in North Carolina for the next four years or five years. And he shows up at over four, all of a sudden, he's he already has it like he understands Yeah, getting those things ruins your day. Right, exactly, exactly. I know. And like we, Hank, and I stopped actually in Louisiana as three power sports and we set and we talked with Dustin Jones, Dustin Jones, we all know has, you know, raised the king of the hammers in his County, um, and we were talking and it's all about you know, he that's how he grew up racing. And so grew up racing, you know, in the sticks, and whatever, you know, is going on back here on the East Coast, and you go to the west coast in the desert, and that's why they're so fast because they don't have to wiggle their way through trees. They now have a straight line desert that they can just haul you know, haul but and go fast. You know, it shows it's kind of like, you know, how I was saying how Hank went from circle track and off road and it changed his driving style is kind of like it coincides with each other and makes them a better driver. Well, I mean, that's hunter Miller, Hunter Miller, yeah. UTV. he's a he's a he's a Woods guy from here in Texas. And he came out to King Harrison, first time racing ultra4 first time making the hammers and he wins the UTV race.

Wyatt Pemberton: 53:23

background, I think, you know, hammers definitely favored in the early days. hammers favor the guys that recreated in the hammers all the time, right. They knew in the back of our hands, the Randy's Lawson's but now we've got guys like, well, Eric Miller just wins nationals, they load up an 18 Wheeler, and they didn't go back to Maryland, they went to Johnson Valley, right? Because they're already halfway across the country. Let's just go ahead and finish out the rest of the country. So there are they're testing, tuning, practicing. And that's what it is. It's it's the playing field is kind of gotten leveled on those guys that had that tribal knowledge tribal knowledge of what Johnson Valley was and what the trails were and what the rocks were and all the paths and all the shortcuts well now guys are doing their homework, but they're coming at it with a different set of eyes right the different mindset they're coming out with this immobile tree immobile, right that barrier free entry mindset anyway, and they're being successful at it. So it's really cool to see all these different walks of life all merge and meld together into what's cool for for us become that. I think doing that now. Me too. So you got you guys ran the Christians photography business for many years. He had it for like 20 years. And then but before you guys when you guys first met you were working in a pharmacy.

Unknown: 54:38

I did. I was a pharmacy technician. I actually got my first job at 16 in a grocery store. I was bagging groceries, worked my way up into checking Neumann checkers actually made decent money back you know, I was 18 years old making you know, 20 bucks an hour as a checker at a grocery store. And then I went into a customer service position there of course because I love to talk and talk to people. And help people. And so once I was in that I went to the pharmacy and I was grandfathered in and have my pharmacy technician license. So I did that for years before Christian's business and before marrying him and working for him and then marrying him. But now here in North Carolina and my real estate license, and

Wyatt Pemberton: 55:19

how's it go on?

Unknown: 55:21

I'm on the road a lot. So yeah. Ha, yeah. how that goes.

Wyatt Pemberton: 55:27

I fully saw that coming when I saw your real estate license, like, how does she sell houses when she's never there?

Unknown: 55:33

Yeah. Well, I actually got my license right before hammers this year. So right before I went, I passed my state board. And I go to hammers, I come home. I'm home for what, two weeks and then i three weeks, and I left and went to work the mint 400. I did driver's registration there for 400. And then Friday, was when COVID hit. So in reality, I haven't had time to build it. But then again, I've been because the offices were closed. And it's hard to I mean, really, it's hard

Wyatt Pemberton: 56:03

to show a house when people don't want other strangers touring their house, when you don't know anything then so. But also, I'll take my neighborhood, how's the house turnover and you know, they're selling it's like, it is completely a seller's market right now where I'm at because the the inventory for new homes is apparently really low. I didn't feel like construction slowed down during this but it must be slowed down just enough.

Unknown: 56:31

It didn't slow down here aren't mean our houses, they don't stay on the market here. They still are not staying on the market here for very long, like within like a week houses are selling we had almost a $3 million home and the most expensive home on the lake here. Well, it was the most expensive home on the lake. It sold in 10 days, and it was almost $3 million. So I came in and bought a cash. So real estate's moving. I just I'm not home. I mean, I'm really not home I show property when I can but otherwise I'm not home. I'm quite enjoying being on the road to be honest with you.

Wyatt Pemberton: 57:04

Being a offered mom race mom, and just this in general offered personality like you are a offroad personality at this point. How cool is that? Yeah, add that to your resume.

Unknown: 57:17

There we go. It's pretty fun, actually.

Wyatt Pemberton: 57:19

And then you know, outside that everyone knows, Mom, housewife. But homeschool teacher, you're teaching Hank at home through this, which a year ago I would give you like a whole bunch of street cred for that like being like the home teacher, like homeschool teacher. But it's like half the country. No three quarters of the country. The moms are like home school teaching now with at least one. We have a bar to one of them stayed home. He's just doing the online stuff. It really works better for him. But our daughter, she had to go back to face to face, but my wife is now. I mean, she works. She still works. 4050 wouldn't pull some 50 hour weeks lately, but she's here in the house. But you know, he's upstairs doing his stuff on his school stuff. And she's doing her work stuff. And they're just here. So it's the homeschool mom thing. But you're doing that and you're obviously pulling that off. Well, well,

Unknown: 58:09

when I'm not here Christian is doing it also. He's a good dad. Kind of good husband.

Wyatt Pemberton: 58:15

He's in the background here.

Unknown: 58:18

Not actually he went to bed lights are out.

Wyatt Pemberton: 58:21

Oh, nice.

Unknown: 58:23

Kids hanging out. He's he actually is in there hanging out with his buddies, but on like some video game. But he only gets to do that every once in a while. No, the whole homeschool thing is tough. Like, we were super excited about the the district here in North Carolina when we moved here. And then when covid hit. We didn't even hear from his school for three weeks after. And we were sitting here going okay, for three weeks. We're setting you're not knowing what's going on. And then they don't they give them optional work. And they end their year with what grades they had. So they weren't very planned. They did. They didn't plan very well. So we actually have them through it's on on track school is what it's called. And it's actually based out of California. So his teachers are all over the United States. And, and he's done. He's doing good. He's trying to slack here and there, but we we stay on him. We definitely don't want him slacking. He's because no racing. If he's slacking, he's a teenage boy. Oh my gosh, I know going on a team. Yeah, right

Wyatt Pemberton: 59:25

and knows everything. Yeah, I've got I've got one of those. I got one of those myself. Yeah. So he's a good kid though. haul Motorsports. How old is whole Motorsports at this point?

Unknown: 59:35

13 years old.

Wyatt Pemberton: 59:36

Yeah. How? How did Cristian get into off road racing.

Unknown: 59:41

His dad had a Honda Odyssey I believe is what he had way back in the day. And he has a really cool picture actually of his dad for having fun. And I'm in the dunes at pismo and in California. But I think him and his dad built a class five bug and they would race it. That's what they used to do. Do I wasn't around when that car was around I that was before me. But that's how he got into off road racing. But he's always been a dirt biker so he's always render bikes and he grew up playing in the desert with his dad and riding and dune buggies and motorcycles and just transferred into a cage because he broke his collarbone one too many times.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:00:23

With age comes the cage as you giggle Exactly, exactly.

Unknown: 1:00:28

And with me it just came with a cage i don't i'm he's bought me a dirt bike, and I don't write it so I'll write it but not crazy. So yeah, like cages.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:00:37

You guys started dating. And then so obviously he introduced you to offer your you knew the circle track world. He introduces you to offroad. And then at some point, he decided to put you in a car. How did that go down? Yeah.

Unknown: 1:00:51

So we were dating like two months, maybe three months? And he just, yeah, well, he Well, I had already driven the car at this point. Like when we were first dating, I drove the car. But like three months after we were dating, he asked me to co drive for him. I mean, I didn't have a kid. I didn't care, you know, whatever. Let's go have fun. So we go and it was when MDR was still around in California. We went and raced in Lucerne Valley, which is Ron Johnson Valley area, roughest Racecourse I've ever still have ever encountered. I Khodro for him. We finished the race. That same year, I was supposed to race powder puff, and a month before powderpuff. I found out I was pregnant. I didn't think I could have kids. I was told I couldn't have kids unless I did in vitro. And so I mean, we weren't taking any precautions, and I ended up pregnant. So after I had Hank, he was five months old. The following year, obviously in 2008, I did the powderpuff in Barstow and that was my first race I drove and I ended up winning that race. I did sportsman class, but I mean, I was hooked. I was hooked from the first time I drove that car when we were just dating. But it everything just transpired after that. So we raced in sportsman for a while and and then we ended up getting rid of our sportsman car and getting a pre runner. It was a pinhole for seat free runner. And we said Oh, we'll just play in this car. This will be a play car. We're not going to race anymore. That didn't happen. We ended up racing that car in sportsman at like battle at prym and some other races and we said we can't tear this car up. Like it was a pretty car. Like you don't want to tear it up. So we ended up purchasing a class 10 car from Penn Hall. And that was in 2011. We built we built a class 10 car and had that until 2016. And that was that was a red car, right? Yeah, it was a red car. It was the one in 2011 I won my powderpuff race that year in it. We raced the Baja 1000 that year and that's the year he won the ball 1000 we went to just finish and we ended up winning by like two hours. It was kind of a crazy, crazy thing. And then we started racing the hpra series after that, which we didn't but that series didn't come you know keep going. And then we went into best in the desert and started racing them at 400 and Vegas to Reno. The Blue Water desert challenge fun races yes yeah. We made sure we did all the fun ones.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:03:29

And then that that car was even in a video game.

Unknown: 1:03:33

It was it was in the Forza Horizon three and for or is it four and five we got a phone call asking if we could they could have the graphics for it we got the the photos from certain races and everything and they they put it in put it in the video game so we can still drive it and it's a lot cheaper now.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:03:55

That is fun like that is so fun.

Unknown: 1:03:57

It was it was awesome that it was in the video game but it was also the sinner fold the centerpiece the masterpiece and metal when dirt sports was around back in remember this we were Yeah, that was that car.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:04:10

The first time I remember seeing a masterpiece of metal was a it was jr Reynolds. The UFO over for car Okay, not this is UFO before Joe Thompson had UFO fab. This was a it was an IRS car. It was just a is a work art, you know ton of TIG welding, it still races in it still races kayo Ah, I can't think of who the owner is. And as somebody is listening to this show right now going. He owns, like, exactly what is I don't remember who it is. But uh, it transacted hands up just a few years ago. It's just a beautiful car, but that's the last that was really what the masterpiece Well, I guess I hadn't seen dirt sports before that issue. And then yeah, those are always cool to see how builders were building things in they were raw. Oh, yeah. It was just a cool piece. And then so you guys at some point 2016 you get out of the class 10 Christian has a baja 1000 championship under his belt from that thing. Yes. And you guys build a can x three?

Unknown: 1:05:07

Yes. So much fun. I missed that car every day, actually. Yeah, we built that in 2017 we actually would have quite the discussions of who was going to start the race and who would finish the race when we would race the car because I was pretty much guaranteed to give him the car. Because he drove a lot harder than I I was smoother. And I was better in the technical sections. But as far as like the fast stuff like he, anyways, I would give them the car except one year I kind of messed up that the mint 400 but that's that's not a fun story.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:05:44

We got to be bringing up old shit, right?

Unknown: 1:05:46

Oh, yeah, I know. We ended up only doing two of three laps and it was my fault. But yeah, too many flat tires. On that race. That was the last year I raised them at 400

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:05:58

it was about 2015 2015 was was tough on tires.

Unknown: 1:06:02

No, it was 2018 I had three flats in the first three in the first three miles of the race. No joke

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:06:11

at them. Yeah, you barely got out of the short course. And I'm laughing sorry.

Unknown: 1:06:17

We started Yeah, you can't remember if we started in the short course that you're no I literally like had a car and my towel and you there are my towel and I was like keep you know keep in my line. I hit a rock and it gave me a flat so of course I have to pull off we'd get out we change the tire at this point. We have tons of vehicles passing us get back in the car gets you know strap I can't I get behind a truck like one of those 3000 trucks I can't remember what the trophy lights I think it's what it was on the tail of this truck in the dust and I don't drive in the dust and this is one reason why I don't do this yet. Besides safety I was on his tail. And we they have investment desert they have those pass push you know you push push past them. Yeah. And they were not moving or not moving over and my navigator. He just kept me making sure it was going and all of a sudden they move off. I'm like finally so I gassed it to go, you know to the left of them a little bit. Hit a bowler. They weren't moving over for me they were moving over for a boulder hit that boulder with front and rear driver side, two flats, three miles out, had to wait for best in the desert officials. They brought me out more tires, thank God. But I mean, there was no avoiding the Boulder. So that was my horrible story of my that was the worst race I've ever had. To be honest.

Pam Hall: 1:07:39

It's so frustrating even talking about it. But that's your worst story is still so amazing to so many people because it's like, wow, I wanted a car or I burned my car down her. Yeah, no, no, but we were down like an hour and a half. Because I had to wait for the tires and they had to go mount a couple tires with all of our spares were out at the remote pits. So we had you know, you disperse your tires out and so we're beg borrowing and stealing from other people that have the same tire size. But I wasn't super excited about the tires we were running. I won't mention their names, but it wasn't my favorite tires. My favorite tires are actually bfgs. And I know I'm you know nitto with King of the hammers and ultra4 but my dailies are bfgs. So, and we're sorry, we're not taking paychecks on this show. So I think it's true. The thing about the show, Pam is your secret's safe with me.

Unknown: 1:08:32

And everybody else that listens.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:08:35

Something like that. So moving off of your your racing career, you do have a you know, 13 years of a racing resume racing pedigree, just with your own self with your own helmet and your own fire suit. But you're from a long line of racers. So yeah, you're in there, you're, you know, immersed in it. So I find that super cool that you're there. I think that's that's it. But I mean something like current affairs. So just before nationals, you said you're coming from another event and I know that event to be the rebel Emily Miller's deal. The rebel rally. It's a I've talked about this on the show a few times. Ryan Miller was on no relation Emily Miller, Ryan Miller is on he and his wife. Well, his wife one hurt and, and terilyn

Unknown: 1:09:18

Yes,

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:09:19

they're like, the favorites, right? They're like Vegas. Odds are those two are always gonna win. How many teams were there? The rebels here 40

Unknown: 1:09:26

there were 36

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:09:28

but I guess 40 Wow. I just figured I could fit on a sheet. It seemed like 40 so 3016 and it's it's a female driver, female co driver.

Unknown: 1:09:39

Yes. And it's not a race. It's a rally.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:09:41

It's a rally. So it's Ryan went through this and if anyone missed that part, you know, you'll have to go back to the Ryan Miller episode. I think it was the season so five or six weeks ago. It seems to blur they've kind of blur together it. Yeah, so they won and so you came from rebel to go to Nationals. But 10 Me too, or tell all of us about rebel from your perspective, like you raised it at one point. I don't I just this year, but is that how you met Emily Miller and kind of ended up in the scene?

Unknown: 1:10:10

It is. Yeah, yes. Okay. So back in 2016. That was the year of the first rebel rally. But back in December, I think it was December 2015, this event was announced. And I saw that this rebel rally, all female event was happening in the United States. And I was super excited about it. I knew I wanted to do it, but I just didn't know how to go about doing it. Because I always wanted to do the gazelle rally, which is in Morocco, and that's an all female event as well, but that one's like $30,000. I think that's the cheap side of trying to do that rally. But it's a Napa, you know, navigational rally only. So 2016 and 17. I was a competitor. And I fell in love with the events but Emily Miller had called me I was actually here in North Carolina on vacation sitting on my dock down by my boat. Sara price had talked to Emily I believe, or I had talked to Sarah price at the mint 400 that year, so 2016. She said you should totally do it. Like we've talked about racing and rallying. And so Emily Miller ended up getting my phone number calls me and says, I have somebody that can be your navigator if you're wanting to do it. So she set me up with somebody. That person ended up not working out for me once we met in person and everything. And I wanted to do it really bad. So my girlfriend Carrie, actually is Julie Boyer, Rick Boyers daughter in law. Lawyers just keep popping up in my life. She became my navigator two weeks before the event actually happens. So she came in she did all the navigating and rebel rally is a map and a compass. And you have map tools like that's the only thing you have

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:11:51

your no phone no off limits, no GPS. This is it's like play seconds and seconds and minutes over hour like you guys are, Brian had told me like there was a point where they had set up the tone rings on the ABS sensor to read off distance on it because it was like you had to go. You fell and Emily, the diabolical genius that she is the evil evil doctor that she is. sets up everything. Everything is metric. Yeah, right. Every time things kilometers, there's no it's not files. And so when you go down a road, and you know, you're going towards this waypoint that has, at some point in the future, down this road, that you need to go, let's call one kilometer, which is or 1.1897863 kilometers is where I want to go. And then you have to convert that to whatever your car is. So he sits on about the modified like the tone rings and the ABS to count revolutions off the tire, so that they knew going down this path that they needed that tone ring to click off seven more times. And so it's like 123 Okay, we're here. Let's mark or how did how do they mark and take score of about of where they're at? How does that work?

Unknown: 1:13:16

Well, you had to you had to be able to navigate on the map exactly where you were with the Latin along. So that way of tower they did their car. That's genius. I mean, mine was definitely not like that. I had a terror trip in my car and it half the time didn't work. Right. So I'm like guesstimating Okay, this is how many miles I need to go because it doesn't say in kilometers. But yeah, it was it's a difficult rally like for people to be like them, I mean, who's gonna beat them? I mean, Kaylee and terilyn if they're in the rally, they're winning. Especially in their four by four class but the whole thing is just difficult. The whole rally is difficult like learning you think you know how to read a map. You don't know how to read a map until you go to like one of the rebel classes and Emily teaches you This is how you read the map. This is how you triangulate This is how you This is how you do your lat and your long with your map tools and you have a plotter and compass and it's just mind blowing the whole event is mind blowing

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:14:16

in in you really you're set up to only the stuff that you leave wherever Reno or wherever you leave the beginning of rally with is like so if you had your however many spare tires you carry that's how many spare tires you have. You have if you brought one spare tire that's what you have. You need tools you better brought them you've ever planned to borrow to have brought them now so I saw something there. I saw some guys or Ladies Ladies ran the new rivian Electric pickup.

Unknown: 1:14:46

Yes.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:14:46

What's the insight on that? Like I've seen obviously they're getting some social media mileage out of it running the rally. But how did that work? Because like fuel and charging they charged at night. So what a great idea. What a great, great idea for marketing. But what do you know about that?

Unknown: 1:15:03

I know, well, the Vivian looking at the vehicle was super cool. And being around the engineers during the rally, like I actually hung out with them and got to talk with them quite a bit. And their PR person was also there. So I got to speak with her a lot. And actually, we would go places I would take them places during the day to get them out and about but the Rhydian, okay, so if, depending on the mileage that they had to do for the day, they would sometimes have to do like a splash charge. So there's this huge, you know, semi truck that was done by power power innovations, which powered all of our base camps as well trying to go solar powered, so it's quiet, and no generators, this truck would actually be there to charge, like you said at night. But during the day, sometimes they they would have to stop off like halfway through the day just to make sure they had enough charge to get them to the end. So there were actually two electric vehicles. Well, one was a hybrid, but the Mitsubishi was the other one that had to be charged at night as well. But the rivian was super cool. The truck is super close, just weird. popping the hood and there's nothing under there. Like that's where they keep their luggage.

Pam Hall: 1:16:14

So strange. There's actually a picture on social media I think me Hall because Amy Hall is the one who drove it because she's the perfect person to have in these new vehicles. She drove a Rolls Royce. Last year in the rally, there's a picture of her and her navigator sitting inside of the car where the motor should be. They're sitting in it and took this really funny picture. It's pretty funny when they cut their luggage. Yeah. So how long now that you've been around that in seeing what one of those then do you? Do you see any parallels to when something like that will show up in offer for maybe not the truck but maybe the drive train? It would be interesting to see one and ultra4 I don't know how they would do like the travel and stuff of it. And how would they actually make the mileage because they there's no way they would be able to make the whole race mileage wise like there would have to be an electric class that doesn't go as far as the ultra4 racers go now because I mean what do they do they do like is it like roughly like 300 miles or something? What is it what do they do it ah yeah that's called

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:17:22

usually count to

Unknown: 1:17:24

kill Wouldn't it would make it because you know, you're using more power when you're in the rocks and trying to get up the you know, the obstacles and stuff and then when you're going faster in the desert, that's obviously using more power. So I don't know how it would work, but I think it'd be super cool. Somebody's electric vehicle. Yeah,

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:17:43

I think so. We'll figure Yeah, I heard this around a campfire recently that Dave David thrown it out like thrown the gauntlet out like first electric racecar to finish chemo hammers. He's got $100,000 check for him. Is that right? Is that right? Have you heard that?

Unknown: 1:17:58

I haven't heard that.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:17:59

I don't know

Unknown: 1:18:00

I'll go get a freaking electric me.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:18:03

It was it was something that I heard thrown out. I don't know if it's real or not. You know if that's that he put a bounty on it. I don't. Again, I don't know. I mean,

Unknown: 1:18:12

TV coming out too. Right. So we'll have to be a car.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:18:16

I have no idea. I don't know any of the details like lose the train. So I I have a I have a deposit down on one of them. Nikola trucks the the Badger and I hope that they build their factory. I hope I get to buy the truck. I like the looks of the truck. Yeah, I don't really like the look of the rivian but I get that. It's probably going to get built.

Unknown: 1:18:37

I mean, it has 750 horsepower is what that one had for a electric. Have you ever driven an electric vehicle? Have you driven a Tesla?

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:18:45

I've ridden Yeah, just ridden and yeah, they're ridiculous.

Unknown: 1:18:49

They're ridiculous. I

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:18:49

mean, you put that pedal down and because there's no gears to switch through that thing just goes or if you know, in our circles DEEK Smithers he's one of the East Coast guys that runs around like Miller and Casey Gilbert in that company, those guys, deca, he's hard into the Tesla's like, and when he first went into him, I was like, What is this? terribleness No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And then now I know, I know why they will snap you back in the seat and hold you there.

Unknown: 1:19:15

Yeah, they're really fast.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:19:17

I've driven one once and I was really amazed. I was actually very impressed by how they drive. So now with rebel, Emily Miller, she is senior skill set and so now she has you doing all sorts of little stuff for her there right helping run the thing.

Unknown: 1:19:33

I Well, what I do is I as I work there start lines so in the morning when the girls are lining up to go off on their day of their adventure. I am there to help them start their day. So because I'm Emily, you know, the first year the rebel rally the very first year 2016 I was the first car off the line for the very first rebel rally I we drew number one, so I know what it's like to be that person. off the line and my navigator and I it's just you know, it was awesome experience so when I decided I wasn't going to be competing anymore I told Emily I wanted to be involved in some way somehow. So she put me on as the start line and the finish line because I would be my chipper self that I am and you know, smiling and happy and trying to cheer them up if they had a horrible day when they came in and you know, make sure they're going off on their day with you know, the reminders of staying hydrated and, you know, having a good day and look around at their scenery and you know, bring it home at the end of the day. So the personality part of it is I believe one one reason why Emily has me doing what I do, because I am personable I mean I'm not cocky in any way but people that know me know that I can talk to anybody. I mean I jokingly say I can talk to the wall if I had but no she has me doing that so and then this year she had me work one of the checkpoints It was pretty cool to get to you know be a part of the on course stuff only for one day this year but hopefully next next time I'll get to maybe work some more on course stuff like I did with JT Taylor at Nationals but

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:21:15

right like how you're, you know, he hit an angle angle in there.

Unknown: 1:21:19

Yeah.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:21:19

Is this what Emily saw in you to bring you to King of the hammers was that the first time you come to King the hammers was with her to work with her at kth? Or had you been out there before?

Unknown: 1:21:31

I actually had gone out there I believe it was like in 2011. I don't know what year it was. I went out and actually watched king of the hammers. It wasn't anything like it is now the year I went and watched I met Dave Cole, though it was either 2009 or 2010. I was out pre running for a race. This gentleman came over and said, Hey, I forgot my radios. Do you guys have any extra radios that I can borrow? We let him borrow some radios and gave us his number said I'm Dave. I'm key and the hammers were like, what is this king of the hammers? Never heard of it. This guy's crazy. You know, this was

Pam Hall: 1:22:08

honestly thinking in the back of our minds kind of weird, but he ended up being a super nice guy. I always I always would. Every year I'd send him an email. Hey, if you need help, but king of the hammers, let me know and I never got a response. So Emily 2016 I work the yard competing the rebel. She says that she works king of the hammers and runs the media tent. And I'm like, Oh, I love king of the hammers. I've gone there and watched the event before I said, I know Dave Cole. And anyways, I don't know if she really thought that I knew Dave Cole or not. But she knew once he saw me, I ended up going and working my first king of the hammers in 2017 for her, and she knew that I was right for the position that I was in because I was basically like a greeter. You know, I greeted all the media, I knew a lot of the media as well all the photographer's because of racing. A lot of them were at the other off road races that I was at. So it really worked out well. And then just this year now I'm you know, what is this four years into it? Now? Here I am with ultra4. So lots changed in the last four years? This is crazy, right? 2020? Right. It's bad for some but great for others. So right, let's get the this is the this the point, right? This isn't the the pinnacle of the of the interview. But this is the question like, what was the transition? What was the genesis of putting the microphone in Pam halls hand in putting her in front of the camera? How? Who pulled that on? Like, how did that go down? I'm gonna throw Ryan Thomas under the bus here. So in Tennessee, I was helping out with timing. So I wasn't really helping out with timing. I was sitting there while I was trying to help out with timing. And that was my first event to actually work with ultra4 because of COVID. You know, the other ones were canceled. So I'm in the infield at the finish line doing the checkered flag for them because timing is there at the end. And so I so as I so they said hey, do the checkered flag for us. Right? And Thomas comes over to me and says, Hey, why don't you do the interviews for the finishers right here? Because Dan Campbell was there with the camera and I'm like, You can't do this to me. They're right there like they were 30 seconds from being in and I

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:25:00

And decided that Crandon, they were going to put me on the podium doing the interviews for the finishers. And so that was my, my opening act for ultra4 was that Crandon the big house, Labor Day weekend, and I had a great teacher I had Ralph she had I had miles. I had Tiffany stone and they were all you know, coaching me and helping me out and Marty, Fukuoka and Ryan they were all helping me out. So I have great teachers, but that's how this happened that came about. So here I still am. I'm loving it and I'm learning so much and it's definitely getting me out of my box cuz I can talk to anybody all day long. But you put a camera and a microphone in my hand. makes me a little nervous. Well, yeah, then so then you go to my lab, you did my lab. Rusty's not the word because you're just in amateurish that's probably not even the word either. You're learning right? You're learning like in preschool? Yeah. When I sit and watch so I've sat in not in the ninja lounge even I've set up and watched you know miles and company work in the Nationals, you guys 13 hours you guys are on there for 13 hours, 14 hours, filling space, filling the airwaves, dead air you're filling my ear with and with I don't even know the right words for it just bs Yeah, there's only so much information that you're getting fed to you that you can convey. But then you're also filling it in, then you have to, you'll pull off of your own personal experiences, which we're learning you have. You're fully qualified to pull off your experiences here. It's not like my I equate it to this was kind of being talked about as rolling this through my head and talking about this with a couple people that kind of I bounce ideas off for the show. You're not like when the NFL put sideline reporters on the sidelines at all. They put a pretty face down there to get you know the camera on and then to get those three second five second sound bites as the guy pass the players pass them on the way the locker room note, Ryan, I know Ryan was involved this Ryan Thompson, I think it was, in my opinion, very genius of them to put you in that spot. When you are a very good looking woman. You're very personable. You're very friendly. You're not scared to talk to anybody and you always have a smile. So you always have that going for you. All you didn't have walking into that is how to put all those pieces together to fill it the dead air time and night three races. You're really filling those shoes. Well, is what I'm trying. Oh, thank you. I'm trying. Now Now what I'm gonna say next, and I said it chip, which was this week's and I hope I'm gonna reiterate it because you're the person to reiterate it with if it's qualifying or if it's race day, if the live show is on the live show is broadcasting and you're a racer in your races over park your car where wherever you if you got to take it all the way back to your pits, okay, or pull it up outside the live feed trader go in and sit down. Yeah, no one Sit down. One It does. It does several things. It checks so many boxes. One, they get a hang out with your miles or you mile and whoever else, right? That's one that's a huge box, too. It gets them on the air, their name out there. They're synonymous with whoever their sponsors or partners are. They get to tell their story. Right there live the entire audience, and it's recorded for the future. And it helps you guys fill space with backlinks freely from the horse's mouth information. Right. So great. 100% agree with you. I only saw one person do this and I've called him actually I went and said something to him on Saturday night and just said hey, I think what you did is awesome. I hope other other garbage it is but Wayland Campbell Wayland came in after qualifying Wayland came in after he? his race was over at Nationals. Did you know The drivers do that? You had like Joshua just came in. But Josh, Josh isn't a racer? now. Yeah, no, the ones that came in were the ones that finished the race like the ones that came in finishers. Yeah, we didn't have anybody really. That came in after they had a mishap or didn't complete but yeah, Wayland. He came in for sure. He had quite quite the ending to that race. But he definitely he still came in. Yeah. And you know what, and the next thing you know, he's out in the pits helping with his dad coming in. And Ryan Miller, they came in and we saw I saw on the live show, because that's when I'm sitting there watching. I'm watching the cameras and I see him you know, now he's working in the pits that that family is so amazing. Like, they really are they do that? But yeah, I definitely agree with you though, like the racers definitely should come in if they can, no matter if they had the worst ending to their race or not. So come tell your story. Because the people that are watching it at home and watching the live show is only going to build the audience for that racer, and for the live show because now, like you just said from the horse's mouth they have the true live interaction What happened to them on course, I get it. If you're stuck out on course, so far You can't come in, that's just a given. But the racers that Do you know, get back to their pit. Come in, come on in and sit down and take a seat out. You know, I'm always one of those I sit and I pat that seat and say, Come on, sit down right next to me. You know, and they come in, you know, well, Wayland alone that came in. But yeah, they come in and sit down and they start talking about what they do. Like Dawson Dawson comes in every time I've been in there on the live show. He has came in and he has taught that family is another family that just, you know, I'm a big fan, because that whole hollington family are great, folks. Yes, they are. They are and coming in and just knocking on that door and saying, Hey, you know, or just walking in, and hey, let's put this person on the mic. Or even the sponsors that are there like Ryan with nitto. Hey, come take a seat. Let's talk about you know, the race for you What's going on with you. So it's really good to have people come in and do that no matter if you're a racer, or one of the sponsors there. It definitely helps fill that airtime and gives us all something else to talk about besides hearing miles and I's voice. Well, but it does help you in miles. And are you miles and Ian, are you miles you just everyone who ends up in that situation? It helps you guys because one, you get it from the horse's mouth, like I said, but you guys are out there in I don't know how you do your homework yet. But knowing miles I do know, miles, he may be one of the hardest working people going on at a race. Everyone when everyone is socializing and drinking beer on Thursday night or on Friday. He is drinking beer, but he's also taking notes and going pit to pit to pit. And he and he sits down with his papers. And he's got the pictures and he's constantly scrolling social media to see, you know, to identify, one, what the driver looks like to us who's co driver is what the car looks like what the car looked like when it was clean, then what changes they've made between the race last race in this race. And if you don't put it on social, he might not see it. So he's going or if you're clandestine, I mean, there's not a lot of that in note four, but there's a little bit he's going pit to pit to pit talking to everybody like, Hey, tell me, you know, telling tidbits. So Friday night after qualifying, he's out there doing his homework didn't doesn't kill it until it's done. And then he shows up. And that's what he draws on for that next 13 hours of the live show. And if he just figured it out, he goes, if I put in my homework, I have stuff to talk about. But right. If people show up and sit down, then hey, that they come to him, right? And come to you. And so hopefully it got to a point where they're walking up to you pre race and post racing like, Hey, here's what here's what happened. I mean, yeah, I appreciate that. I'll use that next time. Exactly. Exactly. And that's, that's what like miles doing that going. pitapit is awesome that he does that. I am learning who the drivers are. And like, I mean, I came from desert racing. So you give me the desert racers and I can I know exactly who they are, I can walk up and say hey, but learning the ultra4 drivers and I, I've always been a shy person Believe it or not, I'm have to start doing what he's doing and go into the pits. I'm not gonna go sit in, you know, drink beers with him afterwards, just because I'm just not gonna do that. I mean, I'll have a beer but not different. I'm a girl, it takes miles about 13 to get all the way through all the pits. So that's only half joking. It's only like seven.

Unknown: 1:33:28

That and I shouldn't say I'm a girl that's not you know, I'm, I've been around all these racers, enough to know that I can hang with the best. But I don't know how appropriate it is. If I'm there, this is something I might want to scratch out. But I might want to not like the wives I don't want to do so you're looking at your time, right? Your time because this might I might not want this in there. I don't want the wives thinking I'm they're trying to hit on their husbands. And I think as it needs to come up. I

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:33:59

think that's a good conversation piece to have. Okay, no, I really do I believe that because there is this, who is this? hussy, right? Well, right, they're gonna have the chance to, you know, one, your record is, you know, you're on the record here. But, you know, it's relationships are nasty and dirty, and people are nasty. And I mean, like I've said on here before, I hate people, but I love humans. Yeah. And that's kind of that's kind of where that goes. Like, it doesn't take much to someone to read into something that isn't there. And, and it happens on a regular basis. And that's where you see, you know, like, even in within guys in motor sports, you know, to alpha males like having, you know, because he didn't let him pass on this race six years ago, that now they still hate each other. And so there's kind of that and I can see how you wouldn't want that but I can't imagine. You know, it is it's a family sport, and it's a family environment. But it is predominantly a lot of guys around but yeah,

Unknown: 1:34:57

it's hard to word it properly. But I don't, I'm not there for that. And I don't want women thinking that's what I'm there for. And I don't you know, the wives or the girlfriends, I just I don't know how to properly word that, but I'm fine you can do during the daytime,

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:35:13

I think. I don't think it has to be, you know, late in the fitzer. If you're don't late a pitch, you do it with your with a group of others. And you know, and you're there specifically or you, you make sure you just grab one of the camera guys and try to get some students or so I think there's ways around it for where people believe and know and recognize that everything that you're doing to put in background. Your homework is aboveboard. I think maybe it's

Unknown: 1:35:40

new. Maybe it's because I'm new and they don't know me. That's maybe that's what I'm worried about. I don't know. But, I mean, I was fair to the wives just as much as I would then the husbands because they're just much as part of the team is. I mean, look at Liam Miller, right?

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:35:56

Listen, some of the wives are the the funner of the couples out there in the pit. So like you got to like yeah, like in the Rufus racing pits. All the wives are way funner than the dudes Levi surely his wife funner than Levi, Eric Miller's wife, Lee funner than Eric. I mean, we can go we can kind of go on and on and on down down the path like the wives are the funner than the guys. Yeah,

Unknown: 1:36:21

I totally get you.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:36:22

Yeah. But that's,

Unknown: 1:36:24

that's a good concern. Well, when we raised them at 400, the husband would go to bed, I would go out but I had I add a bodyguard. I always call them my bodyguard. So I always had a bodyguard with me to make sure I got back safe and wouldn't go out by myself. So

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:36:41

much. So men 400. So my wife, love my wife, but she just does not like the desert. She doesn't like the races she loves the people. The people is she's all down for so we go vacation places that are not racist. She's always in for that. But men 400 is the one that she always gave me. She always came to them at 400 because it was in Vegas. We will go crash out she goes a casino. So funny because she loves she loves to play blackjack. So Vegas worked well for her. That I mean that 100 worked well for her. But yeah, I see exactly what what you're saying. And I think a lot of people will identify with that. It's a it's a valid concern we've all seen. I mean, we've all gone through friends and family that have gone through divorces over, right, Petty? Well, I'm gonna use the lack of better words, Petty shit. Like it's not real. But then we've also fully recognized when things have been askew and astray. And everyone's just very cautious about that and tiptoes lightly around those issues. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah, I'm hundred percent hundred percent there.

Unknown: 1:37:42

Okay, I just shot a word it.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:37:45

I don't think there's a right way. I don't know. It's it's a it's a messy hair around the situation deal.

Unknown: 1:37:50

I'm kind of a friendly person and people's people. And I know that people do sometimes take it the wrong way. And it's just like, that's just my personality. I'm a friendly person. And I'm not it's not just thinks I'm being super friendly doesn't mean I'm trying to go home with that person or Well, does that make sense?

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:38:08

No. 100%. And I've read I've actually I've actually read a lot of a lot about this in recent times. Because the way the way dating has gone over the last 15 to 20 years where it's predominately gone away from the how we used to meet like in a bar or someone set us up or in person. You physically met them first and you had to make that point of your pickup line or something whenever that was what you know, even if it's just bumping into them at the grocery store. today. That's kind of weird. Like, I'm weird. That's weird. I'm weird. I can't even imagine me in the dating scene that tells me Hell

Unknown: 1:38:43

no, I'm pretty by 100% and crazy on that.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:38:45

I feel so bad for these people. But the in the people that have gone through divorces and are now dating trying to it's all online, and by the time you've actually made first contact, they've had the ability to scour your social media. So they found your pictures of you wearing American flag home guns, you know, right they've scared you they know who you are, they already kind of have a preconceived notion. Do they want to go on a date with you or not go on a date with you. So you've already been your went through like a background check before versus back in the old days, we didn't have that he was like, you had a datas like three or four times before you figured out dead or not dead. So right. I think it's really awkward. So what I guess where I'm going to kind of close this out is today, the human mind, I believe likes the personal interaction, even though technology hasn't really supported it when it comes to dating. So when you have guys or women just doing personal interaction just being themselves and being friendly and a smile, something as simple as a smile today can be misconstrued as a tension in the wrong flavor.

Unknown: 1:39:50

Right. And exactly, that's I mean

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:39:52

that and that's what it is. It's just it's not even flirting but someone could conceive it as as a flirt. by just being friendly, and apparently today friendly is too much. So yeah, I know exactly where you're coming from and your art, your argument and your concerns. They hold water. They really they hold water. It's just not for you. It's, I think society kind of where we're at today. And not just technology, but I know you're not doing your homework and I know you're concerned about this, so but I wouldn't be that concerned. I think anyone's gonna listen to the show and think that wow, yeah, I hadn't thought about that. But I should think about that because we're all dudes I mean, of all the people to listen to majority of our dudes. So they're also sorry, we just sorry, we just put this you know, this was the the red letter that know that the A that person a or whatever. The Scarlet Letter, The Scarlet Letter. So so here's Pam with her Skyler, right? Pam's like why won't the Why won't either the drivers talk to me after

Unknown: 1:40:55

Damn it. Sorry. Ma'am. Hide

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:40:59

a jinx. Do you? I'm sorry about that. But yeah, so but you're you're totally settling in. That's the key where we're going with this as you're settling into this new role you didn't a year ago, you didn't know you're gonna be holding a microphone. You didn't know you're gonna be live broadcasting. And now you're a motor sports announcer you are motorsport celebrity. You are a personality. I don't know. His celebrity the right word. I

Unknown: 1:41:20

don't know if like, like, I'm not yet.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:41:22

I don't know if that's like, like Lauren Healy. You know, is Lauren a celebrity? Or is he just a person? Or is is Vaughn? I don't know. Like, I'm like, they're in my phone. find their number. My phone. They're there, my buddy. But I guess we know that. I mean, are they famous? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know where that works today. Maybe neither. We'll talk about them. The next time you're on. But yeah, man. So uh, cameras, we're starting to close this out. There's a couple more things I want to you know, kind of wrap up with you. You want to rescale as yourself right. You want to check that box? Yes. So

Unknown: 1:42:01

the ball 1000 and getting checked off? And QA has definitely it's been on my radar since I came in watched it back. I think it was 2011 I think the year I came and watched it, I've always been like, I want to raise co h like, it's a dream of mine to do it. Um, so I'm like, hey, Who? Who? I don't care if I was a navigator. Or the CO driver. I would. I just want to do it. I just think it'd be so much fun to do that race. I know it's hard work and getting out in winching and you got to be in shape and all that good jazz, but my goodness, like to race kale H is a dream of mine. Like,

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:42:36

I want to do it so bad. Do you still think it's the single hardest one day race on the planet?

Unknown: 1:42:42

I don't know. I haven't done it. done it. So I don't know. Well, I just think

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:42:46

from the outside looking in at it. Do you think it is

Unknown: 1:42:48

outside? Yeah. Yeah, I would say it probably is right there with the Baja 1000. I mean, depends on the length of it. And now I probably because you have all the rock, you know, all the obstacles that go through and everything is different. So and how many I mean, how many drivers actually finished? kayo? Ah, there's Oh, every year it's a very small my new number.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:43:13

Hardware drivers when Dave started, you know, he said if, if no one finishes, it will be successful. I could see him doing that. Yeah, no, I'm not. I think yes. 30%. You know, I think when it starts getting sub 20% I think kind of, in my opinion kind of becomes problematic. It starts losing some luster but then when some of the stuff like ah this year, I don't think I felt this is just this is from the outside looking in. Right. I was media now media now. It felt like ultra4 wasn't prepared for the leaders to come back as quickly as they did. This year.

Unknown: 1:43:49

Yeah, I'm in media 10. So I have no idea. But yeah,

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:43:55

so let's talk about the future. Real quick. Before we close out with you, the future, you will learn how to weld. What's that about?

Unknown: 1:44:02

I wanted to learn how to weld for probably 10 years now. And I can't let my husband Teach me because he can't weld. Sorry, honey. But yeah, he cannot weld. I would not let him weld. or teach me at all I know. It's something I've always wanted to learn how to do. I used to watch my dad do it as a kid and I never tried it. Of course, because you know, I didn't have a What is it the helmet for it? The visor. So you know, I couldn't watch. But it's something I've always wanted to do. I've always wanted to learn and I know there's tons of people out there that can teach me it's just all about taking the time and actually learning to do it. And I know that there's little classes at Keio ah that like the ladies off road network, she'll do little welding classes and stuff. But I'm always so busy that I'm not able to go over to them. But it would just be super cool to learn how to actually do that. That's Charlene Bower

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:44:54

right sharp Charlene gets us because I didn't realize welding was a part of that. But that's very cool. Charlene Bauer It is the women's offroad network. Right? That is Yeah,

Unknown: 1:45:03

I swear she does that. Well, I

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:45:05

saw there multiple times during the week last time she turned around with a, I don't know what do you call that? What do you call it? A group of women entourage and entourage.

Unknown: 1:45:15

I just bought an entourage whenever it's a group of people that are always together. entourage, entourage, you know,

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:45:20

like they say like a murderer crow. You know, a clowder of cats. But it's like yeah, like you can't say that like know why. But yeah, so I saw Charlene Charlene would give her tour. She you know, her large group what she's doing is very cool. I think there's something for everybody in hammer town. But yeah, so yeah, learn how to weld somebody. Maybe we need to get you maybe someone from Lincoln electrical here this and then we know we need to put her in a Lincoln Electric racecar but we can't do it without teaching how to weld see check boxes, I'm thinking outside the box here. I like it and then they can send me to their school they have a school a week long school at their at their facility, I believe. I think somebody needs to do that for you and your sponsored person coming in. Now, there would have to be a Lincoln sponsored person coming in from ultra4 learning how to weld and I can talk about on the live show. So Pam, that's exactly how marketing works. I think that's exactly how it works. But I could be entirely wrong but I think that's exactly you know, you'll start to see your wardrobe for the live show change right as people already it has. I am I watched like you miles and we talked about Bailey his wife earlier and miles brought Bailey to this last race to Nationals yeah and that in that was pretty cool. And I you said something to me about I need to bring Christian to an ultra4 race so when Yeah, but he won't get that on schedule. It's got to get out there now he won't he won't be well now that we're over on the East Coast he's not going to travel with me so hey, Tennessee really needs to tank really needs to start racing then ultra4 he does he does and then Christian can start working

Unknown: 1:47:09

should have a family affair.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:47:11

So how close is that South Pittsburgh race is that going to be the closest race for you guys this next year rush Kentucky is the other one Russia can take those about the same distance from you guys or is rush Kentucky a little closer.

Unknown: 1:47:22

I don't know where rush Kentucky is at I haven't mapped it. I usually map everything because I want to see Am I going to drive to that race or learn to fly. But the one in Tennessee I drove there this year, it only took me five and a half hours to get there, which is nothing turn up my radio and seeing like I'm Mariah Carey and drive along. So

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:47:38

she has a guest that rushes like four hours from you. So it's that's probably I'm probably pretty pretty close to that. But

Unknown: 1:47:45

it's probably probably so I don't know. Not very good on my East Coast states yet. Well, Pam,

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:47:52

thank you for coming on. Did we cover everything that you kind of wanted to get out there? Oh, you think so? I

Unknown: 1:47:58

think so. Yeah, I think so.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:48:00

I'm ecstatic about you know how having one a just such a just cool conversationalist. Someone who is your conversation that you flow with and you jive with and you have just a able just have a killer kick ass dialogue. That's fun. I had fun. Awesome.

Unknown: 1:48:17

I had fun too.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:48:18

I had a good time. I hope our listeners really enjoyed it too. I appreciate you guys dialing in and turn it on to your streaming audio and catching everything that is Pam Hall and you guys can catch on the live feed. You know it King, the hammers coming up in February. Or if somebody is following the mill will track you down on a track and see how you guys are doing recently, the Baja 1000 here in a few weeks. That's pretty exciting stuff.

Unknown: 1:48:44

It is very exciting. Julie Boyer like I said, Julie Boyer is the driver of record but the car number is 1662 1662 Well, that's the car number. Yeah, it's a gonna be a rough race, but so much fun.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:48:59

Well off the post that to the town tank insiders page on Facebook when the thousands going on and get everyone to make sure 1662 is one that they have selected to follow. Well, cool. Yeah, for sure. Pam, good luck at that. Be safe, have fun. Thank you so much for coming on and agreeing to come on the talent tank and tell us who you are and what you do. And kind of the genesis of how you became someone who was filling our airwaves on a four race weekend. We I'm very happy about it. I'm very grateful for it for you doing that. Thank you.

Unknown: 1:49:32

Thank you. Thank you for having me. It was exciting and fun. I was so nervous, but so much fun.

Wyatt Pemberton: 1:49:37

Yeah, you were nervous. Oh, man. Well, all right, guys. Thank you for Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Pam. Thank you everybody for listening. And on that note, we're out.

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