The Talent Tank

EP 22 Stan Haynes

April 20, 2020 Stan Haynes Episode 34
The Talent Tank
EP 22 Stan Haynes
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The Talent Tank
EP 22 Stan Haynes
Apr 20, 2020 Episode 34
Stan Haynes

A play on the triumph and losses in performance and life.  The Talent Tank podcast will navigate the inner workings of lifestyle, lives, family, teams, careers, programs, and technology in and around the offroad motorsports industry.  What breeds success with your Talent Tank on full, failures when its on empty.  From the journey to the Starting Line to take that Green Flag, on to exploring trials and tribulations on and off the track in pursuit of victorious achievement and the Checkered Flag.

A dive into The Talent Tank with pillar, and oldest kid on Team Indiana.  Stan Haynes, Mr. Branik.  Stan the quintessential nicest, most loved, will give you the shirt off his back ULTRA4 Racing racer you've ever met.  From sponsoring @ultra4racing King of the Hammers, numerous finishes, off-road hard part innovation, his we don't say no business mind, and hard as nails "family first" because they are your co-workers mentality, we discover we need many more Stan's in the world. 

After the Checkered Flag-
Golf carts by design, are supposed to be safe. From accelerator governors that don’t let the carts reach speeds over 15 mph; to weighted down with heavy engines and batteries and are hard to tip; and typically are used only on smooth paved paths or manicured grass fairways.  The American Journal of Preventive Medicine, however, reports that injuries from being hit by or falling off of golf carts surged 132 percent from 1990 to 2006. Nearly 150,000 people, ranging in age from two months to 96 years, were hurt in golf cart accidents during that time. One reason, according to the Journal, may be that golf carts have become much faster and more powerful. Reaching speeds of up to 25 miles per hour and traveling as far as 40 miles on a single charge, golf carts now offer quick travel in a variety of venues. As noted by the study’s authors, golf carts are routinely used at sporting events, hospitals, airports, parks, college campuses, businesses and military bases. In some gated and retirement communities, golf carts have become the primary means of transportation.

A few other golf cart statistics that may surprise you:
• 40% of golf cart accidents involve a person falling out of the cart
• 10% of golf cart accidents involve rollovers
• Each year in the U.S., about 15,000 golf cart related injuries require emergency care

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Magnitude Performance www.magnitudeperformance.com a Mast Motorsports Company www.mastmotorsports.com.  Magnitude is a Made in the USA manufacturer of premium chrome silicon coil-over suspension springs.

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Show Notes Transcript

A play on the triumph and losses in performance and life.  The Talent Tank podcast will navigate the inner workings of lifestyle, lives, family, teams, careers, programs, and technology in and around the offroad motorsports industry.  What breeds success with your Talent Tank on full, failures when its on empty.  From the journey to the Starting Line to take that Green Flag, on to exploring trials and tribulations on and off the track in pursuit of victorious achievement and the Checkered Flag.

A dive into The Talent Tank with pillar, and oldest kid on Team Indiana.  Stan Haynes, Mr. Branik.  Stan the quintessential nicest, most loved, will give you the shirt off his back ULTRA4 Racing racer you've ever met.  From sponsoring @ultra4racing King of the Hammers, numerous finishes, off-road hard part innovation, his we don't say no business mind, and hard as nails "family first" because they are your co-workers mentality, we discover we need many more Stan's in the world. 

After the Checkered Flag-
Golf carts by design, are supposed to be safe. From accelerator governors that don’t let the carts reach speeds over 15 mph; to weighted down with heavy engines and batteries and are hard to tip; and typically are used only on smooth paved paths or manicured grass fairways.  The American Journal of Preventive Medicine, however, reports that injuries from being hit by or falling off of golf carts surged 132 percent from 1990 to 2006. Nearly 150,000 people, ranging in age from two months to 96 years, were hurt in golf cart accidents during that time. One reason, according to the Journal, may be that golf carts have become much faster and more powerful. Reaching speeds of up to 25 miles per hour and traveling as far as 40 miles on a single charge, golf carts now offer quick travel in a variety of venues. As noted by the study’s authors, golf carts are routinely used at sporting events, hospitals, airports, parks, college campuses, businesses and military bases. In some gated and retirement communities, golf carts have become the primary means of transportation.

A few other golf cart statistics that may surprise you:
• 40% of golf cart accidents involve a person falling out of the cart
• 10% of golf cart accidents involve rollovers
• Each year in the U.S., about 15,000 golf cart related injuries require emergency care

Brought to you by:
Custom Splice www.customsplice.com for all of your recovery equipment needs, they are your one stop shop.
Branik Motorsports Custom Machine www.branikmotorsports.com is a full-service machine shop with one off and production capabilities that prides themselves on quality, service and value.
Magnitude Performance www.magnitudeperformance.com a Mast Motorsports Company www.mastmotorsports.com.  Magnitude is a Made in the USA manufacturer of premium chrome silicon coil-over suspension springs.

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Intro/Outro :

Let's drop the green flag on this episode of the talent tank podcast with your host Wyatt Pemberton bringing you the best, fastest, most knowledgeable personalities and ultra for and off road racing.

Wyatt Pemberton :

This episode of the talent tank brought to you by three amazing partners, custom splice offered recovery equipment, briny Motorsports custom machine, and magnitude performance a mass Motorsports company. Enjoy. All right, all right. All right, here we go. The talent tank back in session. Today we have the oldest 21 year old you've ever met. Stan Haynes, Fort Wayne, Indiana. Branik Motorsports, Mr. Branik. Stan, How are you this morning?

Stan Haynes :

Well, I'm fine as frog hair.

Wyatt Pemberton :

I don't even know what that means. What does that mean?

Stan Haynes :

Have you seen frog hair? They don't have it. It's fine.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Okay. Yeah. All right. So Stan, I've known you since 2008. x ray days but you've been around for literally back when they were racing covered wagons. Yeah, right. Now I do I kind of lump you in with like Brian surely and like a Doug Jackson, that you guys are so young at heart and so just these friendly faces good dudes that are, you know, up and yours and I don't even I don't look up to you like a grandfather or fatherly figure. I look at you as like, Man, you're like you're the guy to keep up with.

Stan Haynes :

Well, I appreciate that. Wyatt I think what we do does keep us young to a certain degree. And it also shows up our little squeaks, so to speak, just real happy to live the life I've lived I've, as they say, I'm a really blessed man. Thank you.

Wyatt Pemberton :

No, I noticed you won't get the spirit from me on that you are smiling face a bright shining light at any event that we're at, you know, every time I see you, it's always it's not a handshake. It's like a big ol hug. And you're like, what's going on? And then it's usually you're like throwing somebody fireball shots. So

Stan Haynes :

yes, that's, that's, uh, that's how we roll.

Wyatt Pemberton :

So what's your secret?

Stan Haynes :

I don't know. I'm always looking for the next thrill. I enjoy life. I've got a great wife. That's probably the biggest secret I've got. She's my secret weapon. We've been together for a while now. We're this year we'll be celebrating 45 years married life

Wyatt Pemberton :

truly amazing. That's that is a monumental milestone

Stan Haynes :

every year a becomes more and more of a reality that it is a milestone. I have two great kids five great grandkids. They're all Totally ENDA brannick. I've got a granddaughter right now as we speak, is out pulling parts out of a park catcher out of a CNC lathe. She's 11 years old, put them to work young. Well, when they can go to school, they're going to school at Brandon, that's for sure.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Well, let's kind of get into this. You guys there, right? You're in Fort Wayne, Indiana. You're a big supporter of mine. I've been a big supporter of yours. You've done many projects for me and we'll go into those later you support the talent tank, you're one of the three shops that you know came on to support this whole thing for this kind of next round. defray cost and allow me to continue to put out fun and good and insightful content. But they're the shop. We've kind of got this whole thing going on in the country with COVID-19 and shelter in place and essential work. You guys are still working but you guys are skeleton staffed. If I got got that right from Brandon, your son a few weeks ago.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, we're a small seven man shop. We do consider ourselves essential. We do have a government cage code. Yeah, we're small. We take everybody's temperature every morning. We do the things that you've been watching on, you know, the television as far as distancing, but with 10,000 square feet here, we don't have too much of a problem with seven people and keeping their distance everybody's got their own job. We're washing our hands constantly. As I said, we, every morning make sure everybody's okay we take our temperature a little thermometer to the forehead and we got you know, we we do have employees that come from out of the family and we have no idea what they're doing every day. We do trust pretty much that they're minding their P's and Q's, but we're making it through. We're as busy as we've ever been. We don't know how long that's gonna last.

Wyatt Pemberton :

make hay while the sun shines.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, we just have to And we do some work for the automotive OEM stuff and which we deem ourselves essential. I hope everybody out there deems themselves essential to this great country we live in. And, you know, it's getting to a point why we're, I think we all need to start paying a little bit more attention to the Constitution, to our rights to our bill of rights to civil liberties. And, oh, I've got all kinds of friends up in Michigan, the Gilbert boys are just struggling right now with with their government, so many people up there and across the country that are saying to themselves, Hey, wait a minute, we live in America and the numbers aren't adding up. And as each day goes by, we were I think waking up a little bit more every day. My prayers go out to all of them and make sure everybody's fine and healthy and happy and free

Wyatt Pemberton :

and I can echo that, you know, and then some. Yeah, I did see the the Gilbert boys were driving around and part of that protest in Lansing in the last couple days, their governors, you know, shut down. Everything, just just everything except for the state. That just seems seems wrong and you're right, you know, the trampling of rights. I saw a family riding in my neighborhood riding bicycles with their masks on and I'm like, you're outside you're riding a bike, you're interacting with your family. What do you what do you need a mask for for that? Or you know, driving in the commute? I'm gonna tell you being here in Houston. It doesn't feel like there's a shelter in place order when you're out. Every parking lots packed. There's still traffic jams. If there is something I feel like Texas is kind of returned to work on their on their own and we haven't seen any huge blow up in numbers and the numbers seem to be sketchy at best. I don't I don't know I'm not a certainly not as an expert or specialist on viruses or anything of the sort but I do fancy myself a little bit of a constitutionalist and the rights that we've just seen taken away in the face of fear is a scary I know no one dials into this show to, to listen to talk about politics and current environment, man, right. I think they do dial in no one. You know a lot of us here in the afro community. We're kind of birds of a feather flock together. We all kind of are like minded individuals. We like to either get in the shop and make cool stuff or get out and enjoy what's out there. We're not guys that are sitting on the couch. We're not guys that are staring at a TV blankly for hours and hours on end. We're we're doers. And this current environment is really put a kibosh a damper on the on the doers.

Stan Haynes :

I couldn't set that any better. I do hold Texas high, high on my list of places that might be the last place to land in this country. I know there's a whole there's good people in places everywhere in the country and my heart goes out to everybody. But Texas is a has a soft spot in my heart for sure. For sure.

Wyatt Pemberton :

So you guys, have you noticed any delays or timing issues or slips in schedule for what what you guys have gone on? They're

Stan Haynes :

not really the first week. I had a guy come in and he had a cold and he had a girlfriend that was a nurse and they had some sniffles, and all of a sudden, you know, this thing just started and I was ready to send everybody home. I was ready. I was, you know, spooked, as they say the media had had me spooked. And the next day, she's fine, he's fine. And we go on and that did pop the thermometer every day. And we're still doing that just to do our part. Other than that, no, our first week we had more orders come in then I believe the average I haven't really run the numbers on it yet, but just done phenomenal. Up until today, I weighed in this morning for you. I've had four orders come in already and from axles to unit bearings to dry flange kit. From that standpoint right now we're we're all good. When the money runs out and people don't get back to work. I'm sure that'll all change. And what we're doing right now is we're trying to build a little inventory to stay ahead of that and put out our daily orders. But to answer your question, and the short answer, no,

Wyatt Pemberton :

that's good. That's wonderful. That's exactly what I want to hear. So, Stan, you we're totally gonna get into your interview, but I want to do justice here. How old are you now? I'm

Stan Haynes :

like you said 2121. No, I was born in 52. I'll be 68 this year,

Wyatt Pemberton :

and you just finished king of the hammers less than two months ago. I guess we're I need to look at it. Yeah, two months ago. Yeah,

Stan Haynes :

I set out 2020 support my buddy Jodie Ford. I did race and finish 22nd and 19. And I am going to be back in 21. So if we have it, I hope we have it.

Wyatt Pemberton :

We'll have we'll have it. So does that. I mean, I haven't gone out. I don't think anyone keeps stats on this. But I think you're the oldest finisher of the hammers. oldest racer. oldest active racer, for sure. Right.

Stan Haynes :

I don't know about that. Jason's shipments. I don't know. I don't really don't know how old he is. I know. I'm a little bit older than Brian surely. But he stepped out a couple years ago. Doug Jackson and I he's kind of hung up his hat. Both of them are in airplanes. When are you gonna retire and get into airplanes? Oh, always get on an airplane. I've threatened to get into an airplane with Doug and I'll jump out of that sucker.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Fair enough, right. That's right. Let's roll into this. So you mentioned earlier. Your wife Marilyn. 45 years coming up, right. That's right, man. Congratulations. She's a solid rock Huh?

Stan Haynes :

Oh she's my biggest fan. She's the biggest pain in my butt sometimes but I'm sure I'm a way bigger pain on her but she's stepped back a little bit and taken care of grandkids and and everything as far as going to races X ray day she was at every race and biggest fan and team cook and rally girl and but she still is in a different capacity and I just love her to death. I couldn't say enough about her. She's She is my rock for sure.

Wyatt Pemberton :

And then I didn't put it together actually until just pre prepping for this interview. The where the brand name come from I was standing from brand acre Brandon from brand, Nick, but you're Stan Haynes. And then that you have a daughter you have Brandon your son who runs operations there with you at branding but you have Nicole in the name of the business is Brandon Nicole brand, Nick.

Stan Haynes :

That's right about 95 I was working 9596 I had to go out of state for work I worked out of state for three years and the whole time every I'd come back on weekends and through that whole course Brandon was just getting you know his working legs on and everything and getting into Motorsports more and more following old dad here and I know I'm gonna I'm gonna form a little club and call it Brandon Motorsports and Brandon The firt is an acronym for Brandon and and Nicole and just started out as a on a you know, here this is our little family club and got to the point where Okay, I'm ready to it's do or die as far as doing something that I've dreamed about my whole life and owning my own business. I've been working for the man all my life and ran several companies for the man and I said well, I'm going to start a business and it's going to be called brannick Inc. had to come up with something so it had been around for minute and I started the company and now people are like you are kind of surprised that my last name is not brand name. It's Stan Haynes. So that's how it all started the name and it stuck and now it's now it's a brand

Wyatt Pemberton :

No It absolutely is in its you know, I've seen team Indiana everyone's has kind of heard those guys started you know team Texas well, Indiana it's you guys even have some adoptees in there you've got you know, some Maryland in there you've got some South Carolina in there. But you guys are kind of even back in the early days were kind of the pillar by which everyone kind of I'm gonna say actually I'm gonna back back back that up a little bit kind of like the magnetic pole that everyone kind of was the gravitated towards you guys, you and Brandon. And then you guys had you know guys like Roscoe and Dino and MacGyver. These are all crazy names, right? They're just part of your circle. You know, you've got all the Purdue guys was Do offroad club with Jonathan tar Hoon, Nate, Jesse? There's a pile of them. And they've all to put it into words. I'm struggling with the right words for it. But you guys have kept that kind of torch lit for so many years and people have continued to gravitate towards you and you're not going anywhere. You're like this rock and there's no you're not coming into racing for a couple years and get now and you know, fading off or whatever it is. You guys have been, you know, been in for two decades and certainly hardcore off road since. Oh, 50607.

Stan Haynes :

That's right. A little bit before team Indiana. Yeah, we did a thing back when we first started the shot. We did it for several years, the first Friday of every month, we would shut the shop down clean the shop and I would have what we call hotdog Friday. That turned into really big in Fort Wayne and we were pulling people in from nd you know, the Purdue guys, john Calhoun, Darryl Mattingly. Mike Or they would take the trip first Friday of every month up to Fort Wayne to participate in hotdog Friday and it was nothing but clown games and eating hot dogs and having some beverages and usually it ended up when the sun came up on Saturday morning. And usually I'd have a house full of people crashed on the floor or wherever in their cars, hopefully not in jail. But a hot dog Friday's turned into a pretty big thing. And it eventually had to it had to cease because it just got in the way of work too much. But in the beginning, it was a it was probably one of those catalysts that started team Indiana in its own way. I'm sure the the port guys, you know, from Purdue and everything. They had their own beginnings too. But it all kind of jelled into team Indiana and today we almost have a full block long section of hammers that we all pit together, help together. party together. And I know we were kind of like the the loud generator in the in the hammer town sometimes we're the neighbor hater, but a neighbor here 5000 Yeah, we we do our best to respect everybody and we have held the fireworks down recently so I'm proud of the team do

Wyatt Pemberton :

JT is happy about that. Everyone else is disappointed but no, I mean fireworks in hammer town just as awesome as they are. They really shouldn't go together with as much race fuel as we've got sitting around there.

Stan Haynes :

That's true. We probably should have had that mindset back when we were participants at one night jellico we they made the mistake in jellico, Tennessee to put a firework stand right next to jellico motel and we I think we every x ray race we pretty much brought out the firework stand and luckily we didn't burn down the motel but I think

Unknown Speaker :

they lost their insurance. After an event Yeah,

Stan Haynes :

that's right. And then shortly after jellico motel lost their insurance because of one night in jellico. It I would have to say it probably went almost viral on YouTube, that they lost their insurance and set up and it went back to camping on site at jellico. And shortly after that, Mike and Jody hung up the X ray hat and that was that

Wyatt Pemberton :

and King of the hammers had was in its infancy.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, my first trip out to Canada hammers, I flew out and we had a motorhome in LA and witnessed that in 2009 2010. I grabbed my xR, a buggy out there still had it and I maybe Deva let me run the qualifier course just to see how fast we could go and that didn't happen. But I did have a blast doing it then 2011 we were in and from then on, it's it. year every year. So we talked about your kids a little bit ago and many people are familiar with you. I'm familiar with Brandon familiar with any of the racers out of Indiana do know Brandon, you know, Brandon's there your right hand there at the shop. But you have a daughter, Nicole schoolteacher she's a schoolteacher. She her birthday was yesterday. Happy birthday, Nicole. Again. They have three great kids, two boys and a girl. Colton Caden than me. They're living large in Fort Wayne also we were it's kind of funny. We go to see them now we hang out in their garage. Like we have to social distance there but saw him last night Colton. He's big huge into baseball. He's got his sights on college and Caden he is he's my gearhead. He just got him a go kart for his birthday. That needed a lot of work. He's worked solid being on shut down here and last night, he wrote Up and down the street for me so Oh wow. Yeah, it was he's amazed me. Last night I took him branded stickers and he stickered, his go kart all up so and then me is my little Queen burger girl. Their last name is burger. She's a sweetheart and just let them all to death Brandon's two girls, Jalen and Maya. Like I said my as the youngest. She's back pulling parts out of a cart parts catch her head on her mom on the other CNC. Koreans, one of the employees here. She's on it. She fills in in the office but and when that's not happening, she's running a CNC lathes, making adjustments making cutter adjustments, doing part checks, and helps out the shipping also she's she's invaluable

Wyatt Pemberton :

when somebody says this is a small family owned business. This is not just family on this family employed family run you got you got three generations working in the shop today.

Stan Haynes :

That's right. That's right. And I'm really really proud of it. We have you know, we have a couple other guys that are just aces for me. We'll go above and beyond. We try to take care of them the best we can we're, we're blessed with work right now. So no problem but who knows what's happening down the road for a while and work wise we're, we're golden to the grandkids like going to the lake with you. Oh my gosh, they their fish. I think I swear they're got gills. wakeboarding, boating fishing. You were chomping at the bit as they say to get back to the lake. Do you

Wyatt Pemberton :

have one of those like lily pads that you roll off the back of the boat? Those are the fun things.

Stan Haynes :

Oh yeah. We have the lily pads. We have the pontoon we have the fishing boat. We have a ski boat and big holes have big holes in the water. We got plenty of

Wyatt Pemberton :

now Yeah a few years ago we went out we got invited out with some some friends of ours and I had not seen one of those lilypad things before and they rolled that you know like whoa what is this big roll of foam carpet like wait and then we roll that thing out like wow we doubled the length of the boat I you know we were already going to put you know the life jackets on upside down and put where I'm like diverse to float in the water while partaking in some beverages but man that that lily pad really makes the boating experience so much more you know, certainly Midwest Lake stuff.

Stan Haynes :

Oh yeah, it's the jungle gym for the water which it really is we we have one or neighbors to either side of us have one and kids are on it constantly. It's it's awesome and they're not too bad to just hang out and have a beer also

Wyatt Pemberton :

what is the boating season there in Indiana is about 100 days a year.

Stan Haynes :

We we go from now. Not so much today. We're we're expecting four inches of snow today. You know we've gone from 60 almost 70 degrees today with snow but normally we would be at the lake right around now pulling the shore station putting the shore station back in the water boats back in the water. We haven't done that this year yet. And then we'll go to end of September with you know, plenty to do in between.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Oh, that's, that is awesome. Anything else you really like doing with the grandkids? I mean, you have the little legacies and they're so cool. I'm kind of I'm enjoying my own kids at this point. But I know at some point, I'm gonna be done with them. Yeah, not done done, but just like, okay, you're old enough to get out your way.

Stan Haynes :

Well, you know why I felt the same way but the grandkids coming on is like, Alright, I get a second chance. I get to do some of the things I feel like probably back in the day I was a little bit selfish and being so focused being at work 16 hours A day or being a racetracks or doing pretty much my own thing with my kids growing up but and thank god my my kids really didn't hold that against me they saw it as what I do but with the grandkids now I'm getting pretty excited about them getting coming of age to partake in what got me here and hopefully the legacy will live on.

Wyatt Pemberton :

I think what you guys have grown as a family is very, very sweet. It's something you don't see that much in in life anymore. The the multi generations all working together, but the the kids get to see their dad and mom, how hard they're working. They get to see grandpa still out there, he's swinging it. And that generation will then look forward and say, well, that's the expectation or that's they set a standard versus you see a lot you know, the parent comes home from you know, to parents, dual income family, they've worked all day they come home they're they're lucky to get you know, food out on the table eat or they go out to eat. And then they sit on the couch on their on their cell phones. Yeah, that's right. And that's what the kids see.

Stan Haynes :

Exactly. When I was growing up my mom and dad, we I grew up on a farm. I think there's a lot to be said about kids that grow up on a farm or familiar with farm life that you learn to work ethic number one, and respect for the land. Respect for hard work with little pay. It teaches me I guess, mainly a work ethic that I've tried to maintain through my life and it's such a joy to see that work ethic turn into my kids and now my grandkids is a pretty amazing thing today too many people don't have a real good example of work ethic in their families.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Yeah, it's nice to see that prevailing for you guys. I'm kind of have the same fruition. You know, I grew up on a farm as well. And you know, my father in law will say why I don't know when you One that works as hard as you do to play, like you work so hard to play. And today though I look at man, I truly feel lazy like I do, I, for the most part, you know, the, this whole bid stuck in the house and not going to the shop as much and I'm enjoying, you know, spend time with my kids, but at the same time I'm looking at my kids, you know, suburban American kids. I'm scared for them that like they're, there's no work ethic in them. I love them. But man, it's I feel like you know, we've spoiled them. And they just, I don't know, it's frustrating. You know, you want the best for them. You want to you want to set your kids and your grandkids you want to set them up for success, right? You want to tilt, the playing field is heavy in their favor as possible. Bias it even. And the world's working against us on that, especially right now with being stuck in our houses.

Stan Haynes :

Oh yeah, there's so much truth there. Why? Really, it's pitiful because I am all about higher education. But it seems like we raised our kids the best we can then we send them off to this cesspool that is higher education these days that they're just getting indoctrinated. And unfortunately, a lot of them listen to it. And I guess it's up to us to teach them right before they get there. So they don't listen to the BS and, you know, go down the wrong path as far as work ethic and what's owed them and the what I'm owed and the mentality that is getting taught to our kids via higher education, the media, their peers,

Wyatt Pemberton :

handouts.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, just the handouts, and it does make you scared, but only thing we can do is teach your kids correctly. And really, basically, to me, it's all right and wrong.

Wyatt Pemberton :

I think it's absolutely our responsibility to spotlight those shortcomings in society. And Luke pointed out to our kids pointing out to our grandkids, you know that that's not the norm that that's not right. And Here's the reasons why it's not right. Yeah. Anyway, yeah, total tangent, but

Intro/Outro :

stay tuned. Your talent tank is in full yet.

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Wyatt Pemberton :

Western Kentucky you grew up in Western Kentucky on a farm. Huh? Where's that from like Paducah.

Stan Haynes :

I claim Paducah is our home town. But it's only because that's the only recognizable city actually. I'm from a small city right at The Ohio and Mississippi meet. It's called Wickliffe, Kentucky. I was born in Carroll Illinois right across the river from Wickliffe. But we lived on a cattle farm. And raised a lot of tobacco. We did have hogs and chickens and cats and goats and everything else fished on a farm pond. My first fishing was on a farm pond that so and all my immediate family on my mom and my dad side are still in that part of Kentucky. Not a whole lot of industry there is pretty much all farms and so tobacco farming.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Yeah, that's pretty cool that that seems pretty far north to have tobacco.

Stan Haynes :

We had a lot of tobacco back when the government was subsidizing and everything for that but it was pretty much a cash cow for the farms. Pretty much now it's rare to see a tobacco farm in Western Kentucky but it got us through and you can debate all those pluses and minuses of tobacco we want we we've heard enough of that. But yeah, we did raise corn, but mostly to feed the cattle. So my dad left the farm and Kentucky we were pretty much dirt poor even though we had hundreds of heads of cattle and 900 acres of farm and you know people think of that as nothing but having a bunch of money but just a whole lot of costs and everything and he moved to Fort Wayne or work at International Harvester via a cousin that was a higher up in International Harvester and it stuck and we stayed and now I claim Fort Wayne Indiana has his home a grown up what it like what do you want to do? Like you know, kid always wants to do something? What was yours? You know, I thought about that question quite a bit and it just keeps coming back to being a racecar driver. Growing up from a very early age I'd say 910 somewhere in there. I was paper in my wall with hot rod magazine pictures of cars and drawn cars and you know, taking scrap lumber and building a GoECart out of lumber. Pretty much it I would have to say is when I wanted to do was be in the race car business and mainly being a racecar driver and you know a little debate on the skill level there I still get out and thrash on a race car but I'm just proud to say that I've walked with some pretty big giants in the racing world raced on the same track as Dale Earnhardt raced with a team on a dealer car a winning the our car and ARCA always just dabbled around with with cars. I got into off road stuff via the army. Let's jump there

Wyatt Pemberton :

because a 1971 rolls around and Vietnam is going on hot and heavy. You get drafted.

Stan Haynes :

My draft number was 25. Three months out of high school I was off to see the man and got drafted. spent my basic training in Fort Campbell, Kentucky, got sent by AIG. tea in Fort Gordon, Georgia for an MP and an MP. And there I got orders for Vietnam. And at that time, you know, pretty much being figured out that Vietnam was a cesspool, and when it was kind of a, it was what it was. And I decided I wanted to jump out of airplanes, so I volunteered to go, the only thing I volunteered in the army was go airborne, when airborne, got sent to jump school in Fort Benning, Georgia, and then got sent to Fort Bragg North Carolina with 82nd airborne. That kind of ixnay my my orders for Vietnam because there was no airborne units in Vietnam at that time. So I spent my army career in Fort Bragg North Carolina, went out and jumped as many jumps as I could possibly jump in the amount of time I had there and was one of the biggest things I got out of the out of the army was going airborne and pretty good work ethic. Being up early, staying in shape, serving my country

Wyatt Pemberton :

and jumping out of perfectly good airplanes. I loved it. Now there's there's more to that you got you got so much more out of the military because there's so much more to this story. You guys had jeeps? Yep. And you got to spend a lot of time in North Carolina around Fort Bragg in a Jeep wreck and wheeling them getting them stuck wrenching on them. And that's kind of where you ended up getting your your roots and off road.

Stan Haynes :

Oh, absolutely. Our service vehicle and being an MP in Fort Bragg was a was an M 151. a, just a old flat he do about 50 miles an hour tops. But at Fort Bragg North Carolina. It's one of the biggest bases in the world. And within Fort Bragg there's a drop zones. For acres and acres and acres square miles. We would take the jeeps out and Put them through their paces and brake on, get them stuck, but luckily are our motor pool. I had good friends in the motor pool and they had come and do recovery for us and really where I got the off road bug right after the army I the first car I bought was a old Willys Jeep, it really set the hook for me as far as off road, what a four wheel drive vehicle will do, and what it won't do. I found those things out. From there. It pretty much set the stage for where we're at today, as far as four wheel drive off road.

Wyatt Pemberton :

So we've seen you like Jesse Haynes who was on this past week, and you know, he just won the 4600 Classic Ah, in a rock sore. Do you see someone out there? I'm just laying out the gauntlet building an old flatty to challenge that 50 mile an hour bombing across the lake bed, maxed out at 50 doing a flat fender versus a rocker

Stan Haynes :

you know I had no doubts with Jesse we've known Jesse for a long time. We've been affiliated with Jesse for about as long as organized rock sports these days back from the Badlands all the way to where we're at and hey, I wouldn't doubt Jesse give that a world as far as doing something to flatter you that way and a stock and one by one possibly. I think Jesse proved that never say never and that uh the people that that are the naysayers that's just something to prove wrong. So yeah, I can see that happening.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Yeah, I think that just the wheels were turning when he and I were having that discussion a week ago or well a couple weeks ago now but was on this last steps he's like I'm you know, fully redline and then we're going 53 I think is like his number was and he was like, you just gonna it's gonna fall apart. So you got any good military stories, any close calls? All you guys have more Stories.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, there. There's war stories that are left better unsaid, I'm sure. But I was taking a jeep Out on duty, all in my gear pack in my 45 with my buddy and we've just loved the off road and we was running the graveyard shift. So here we're going to go out to the drop zone and see if I heard about this trail that's been cut out there by tanks. So we we went out early in the shift, we had radios so we could keep contact with you know, the desk Sergeant whenever he was ready to hear from us, we could chime in and tell him where we were no GPS during those days, so he didn't know where we were, but we can chime in and we got the Jeep stuck so bad that the mud was coming into the jeep and we were on a hill and there was no cell phones on either. So we had a radio and that we needed assistance with the motor pool and in addition, I have They come out and pull us out of the mud. That was the closest call, really, as far as getting really busted bad in our unit but close calls, made it back made it out, you know, close call was really my close call and the army was orders to report to Oakland to report to the Republic of Vietnam.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Wow. I thank you for your service. Your veterans, there's you guys are the backbone, the salt, you know, the salt and pepper this country right?

Stan Haynes :

appreciate that. Wyatt

Wyatt Pemberton :

What year did you get out?

Stan Haynes :

I got out on 73 so I was a draftee. I had put in my two years being drafted. I didn't do quite the tour that somebody that signed up for but it was one of the best experiences of my life. It really set me on a path to number one respect our country. And like I said the work ethic and really proud to have went ahead and did my duty.

Wyatt Pemberton :

But that afforded you some stuff afterwards, right. You know you had access to the GI Bill. Absolutely in We have to leverage GI bill for what you're doing today or,

Stan Haynes :

oh yeah, that was one of the big benefits also, I I'd be totally remiss if I didn't include the GI Bill. I had a I went came directly from the army and I had a buddy that was a pattern maker. And pattern maker is a it's a trade that caters to the cast industry. We make the master patterns, core boxes, and all of the tooling that mass produces castings such as water pumps, intake manifolds at that time, it was all aluminum intake manifolds, cast iron heads, water pumps, stirring knuckles, aluminum wheels, made a lot of aluminum foil molds, and I got into an apprenticeship programs do the GI Bill. They were paying me to go to work and I, I was really, really proud of do it. To this day we We consider ourselves pattern makers. We do a lot of work for foundries and a pattern maker is anybody that makes the tooling In the master tooling and core boxes and gauges and fixtures for the cast industry, iron, aluminum, bronze, anything that way that is cast molten metal from a master pattern from the ladle into the pattern to the

Wyatt Pemberton :

Yep, product and then you guys finish machine.

Stan Haynes :

That's right. I'll use some of our own products that we've developed here and help others developed as a direct benefit of being a pattern maker. We've helped a couple companies along with with steering knuckles, building the patterns, getting the prototype parts doing the prototype machining a lot. What we do is help other companies private label, so to speak their parts, but came from what we do. We've done some rear end housings, dropouts, steering knuckles, well,

Wyatt Pemberton :

I got a last fall I got a crash course from Adam Woodley and you know a Woodlands down there in Murfreesboro, Tennessee. Yesterday he's got wide open design and he's got crane axles and he bought crane out and how he had to learn how basically green casting or whatever I that's what stuck stuck in my head is a him learning about the casting business and you guys have been in that business for 20 years. Oh yeah. And you've been in the business for 40

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, a long time. We're we're all familiar with a grain product I'll just say that I don't want to get anybody in trouble.

Wyatt Pemberton :

I don't think you're gonna get anyone in trouble

Stan Haynes :

I think we love Adam and wide open design and we've helped each other through the years them getting started and us helping that we did another project for a friend of ours out in Colorado that uh, he tried to thing called a 69 there was a dropout 60 and it could have went places but we got the project and got it figured out but unfortunately the marketing plan there didn't work out real well and how you Started and, and we still have the tooling. We still have the castings. We still I run them in my racecar. And they're really good. It just really never took hold for various reasons. But yeah, we will work with anybody and their product. We're working with several companies right now. proud to work with some of the best names in the sport.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Well, that said, there's a lot of people that podium here recently a little racing California, and of the 4400 class I didn't I didn't dig past the top three, but you guys had parts on all three that were on the podium this year.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, we're real proud of that. We had carrier bearings in a couple of the cars, the top two cars and the and the actual shafts. real proud of that, but they weren't the only ones right? We

Wyatt Pemberton :

had field Wide Field wide.

Stan Haynes :

We try to we try to help everybody and they help us. We really look at quality and service and value in our parch that people are going to want to run our parts I believe everybody in team Indiana has got some part of ours on their car whether it be a suspension link or a axle, sway bars rake parts we're not just nailed down to real estate specific parts we are custom machine so we will make or do anything but as far as the feel about an ultra for whatever class it's in, I'd say almost every class know for sure. Well, I don't want to get too far down that because I have a whole section set aside here in a little bit. We're gonna dig into branding dig into exactly the business and the parts and that side but here's interim, you said you wanted to be you know, you aspired you know you're gonna be a racecar driver. And you still are, you know, I think that's absolutely super cool. I mean, I aspire to be you know, in your shoes, and still being able to strap a helmet on with what you've got going on. I think that's a But you didn't just get there. It wasn't just in the last 10 years. You got into it for 15 years. You got you start putting a helmet on. Before that. I mean, from what I gathered from you, you were involved in circle track, you know, some Earnhardt stuff. And then us talking in the past. I know you were into drag racing. Oh, yeah. And I think if you're an Indiana, I think what is it? Almost every professional pro drag race team, you know, your top fuels, your funny cars, almost all of them are headquartered at some point or fashion out of Indianapolis. That's right. So you're at the epicenter. Brownsburg is known robbing john forces there go a motto when he was racing, but it is a hub. Indianapolis being a racing capital of the world as they tout it is a big in the racing in general. I was huge in the drag racing. I did it for several years. Kind of a little tidbit I threw at you and being a triple nickel guy. I Had a 55 Chevy that I can paint it was a pretty much a pro gas car big block Chevy narrow nine inch and it was a brick but I had a lot of fun with it and got fairly quick with it but I called it the double nickel. It was a lot of fun. It's we're Brandon first got his racing bug. I've got a picture of him on the front. I think he was four or five years old at the front of my car and just proud as he could be in front of it. Had a great time with it from that we also I couldn't receive off road stuff. It just always had a hook to me. So hold you back it yeah, it just pulled me back into oj customs. It's a little company we started out back in the day when this was all really infant. I mean, high tech was doing a spring over on a Jeep leaf spring over who was oj custom does you wanna buddy? Man, buddy. That was our mission. Middle initials of each other and his middle initial was oh and mine was Jay and we just come up with oj customs and we had big sights on everything we built roll bars and roll cages and brush guards. At that time were huge. Putting a big brush guard on the front of trucks or jeeps and gumbo motors and groundhogs and jam Jackman wheels in it, that's kind of where our demise women's we spent most of our working capital on a big load of tires, we got a deal on them and all of a sudden we can't pay each other pay. Pay. We've invested we were young and dumb and but at that time, the only place to go wheeling around was a little place around town here and it used to be back at the turn of the century 1900 century there was a park amusement park back out of Fort Wayne next to the river is called Robinson Park. We would go back there and do pretty much the same stuff I was doing in the army with an mpg. started building, you know, building a better quit braking, building them a little bit safer. Not a whole lot safer. But we started that business then and it faded away but come back in with a vengeance in late night 1990s somewhere in there. We got back into it again went full circle from drag racing circle track racing and got back into off road. What year did you guys you know, I guess Brandon got involved in offroad. But what was kind of the for a for the Haynes family getting into like trek or X ray or any of those early rock sports? Yep, I would say back 2003 we really got into watching rock crawling, I'm still huge in the rock crawling. I love the technical part of rock crawling. I like to go I love to go fast but still really involved with a rock crawling and what that takes But I'd say around them when there was a you rock event down in Badlands that we attended.

Wyatt Pemberton :

How far is the drive for you to Attica?

Stan Haynes :

about two hours? about two hours? about two hours? Yeah. We've always called Badlands our home track. I've been going there for a long time. Back when Troy Troy Myers owned it. And I remember when Jesse came to came to town, it was kind of a huge deals and looked and seen as well isn't, you know, back in those days, there was big money and rock crawling. Troy was a big name, along with Ken Shoop and several others that uh, that I really looked up to and gave us something to shoot for. We look at that time has probably been a solid catalyst for us to do what we do today.

Wyatt Pemberton :

I remember seeing on it, which is funny, I kind of draw this together. So two episodes ago had Ian Johnson on and he did some power block stuff and I remember this is both Before I even had a buggy but it was certainly involved in off road was on pirate at this point. And that power block on the weekends they would show like a little let's call it a one minute or two minute clip of events from around the country and they would always have a little rock crawling stuff but the first kind of go fast I'd seen on there was it was an X ray event and I feel like it was from the Badlands. It was like one of you guys's cars I want to say is maybe it was like Roscoe or Dino jumping a tabletop landing, I think maybe flatted some tires and then finished in reverse. And that was the video that they led with. It was awesome.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, that was Rosco. He's a guy I miss. Nearly every day he was bigger than life. Had a life that you'll never forget. Just a passion for off road.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Oh, he had a heart of passion for anything fun in anything motor sports and life of the party hundred percent.

Stan Haynes :

He was hundred percent Rosco, that's for sure. And he had a he had an accident and in Nebraska, he was competing in a SCCA event and the after hours things it Betty man, he had an accident and we lost him. He just fell. He fell out of a golf cart, right fell out of a golf cart and bumped his head and that was it. He fell out of the golf cart. Just things that we've done a million times a million. It was so freaky of an accident that I still can't believe it really happened because we had done it so much. We ride wheelies on a golf cart, we would off road in a golf cart. We have golf cart races, and it was just a freak deal and missing every day. But you know it I've had my share of accidents. So to speak to Badlands, I had a bad roll down a hill that was you know, he rolled on a hill and Got sloppy belts on expect bad things. And at that time, helmets were like, What? But at least tight seat belts. Those are the things we hear about every day, a lot of our friends have made the same mistakes, they're still going to be made, I'm sure, but I lost about three days at a hospital with a bad concussion and lucky to be alive really with a bad roll. And there's things like that when you enter the arena always be prepared. And really when you're going out off road, you are entering an arena that can bite you quick, so guys dolled up when it's something that's gonna get get a crazy put your brain bucket on and

Wyatt Pemberton :

are not even crazy and we've seen people that have rolled loading their junk on their trailer. Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's that's how you know it's, maybe you're in a hurry or maybe you've broken a shaft so your three wheel motion or orange raining and the ramps a little bit slick or next You know you're upside down or, or you've seen the guys that you know the throttle stuck or something that happened and they ramped over the back of the trailer and into the back of the truck. Yeah, it's crazy how quickly things can go you know? flyswatter you I mean, they can go sideways quick. So, you know, not that not that we are pushing safety but absolutely you should. Everything you should do I mean, be as safe as you can possible. I mean, we joke about safety third, but

Stan Haynes :

another instance of being prepared when you enter the arena is 1980. I love scuba diving. And we we scuba dived in the correct Caribbean, all the lakes around here and everything and nobody had

Wyatt Pemberton :

ever I should know before. What's now What's that?

Stan Haynes :

Ice diving? Oh, ice diving. Yeah. So we decided we're going to ice dive and again, be prepared when you enter the arena and that means everybody involved with you, and especially if you're diving under three foot of ice We cut a hole in the ice and went in and we had all the latest gear and regulators and Boise compensators and everything we needed and we decided we're going to do it. But we had a crew up above us that when you ice dive, you're tethered. You're tethered to a rope to the hole that you're going to cut into the ice and the people above are pretty much holding on to your lifeline, and it is your lifeline to be able to take care of any emergency. Well, we a buddy in me, jumped in the ice and we're down and it's crystal clear water. It's dark. So you have lights and probably 1015 minutes into the diet. My regulator froze wide open, and I'm trying to take a breath and as I'm trying to take a breath, I'm spinning and the guys on the surface are just feeding me line and I'm getting tangled on a line and not being able to breathe perhaps next time I know my face mask is up against the bottom of the ice. And that's about all I remember for three days. My buddy that was with me was tethered to me and he's fine. And he fortunately I didn't tangle him up. He cut loose, went back to the surface and told him I was in trouble and they pulled me out. And I was pretty much flatlined when I pulled me out of the ice and dodged that bullet again. So be prepared when you enter the arena.

Wyatt Pemberton :

So you effectively have a second birthday sometime in 1980.

Stan Haynes :

Yes, sir. February 12.

Wyatt Pemberton :

See, that's how we're whittling you down to be in 21 years old. Okay.

Stan Haynes :

Well, I'm Uh, I'm on about live five of nine of us a cat.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Man I don't know I think you're on about like nine and nine. Having having just been around you for just a short you know, last 10 years of your life like me, you live hard, was it you'd had a wreck account? Wait for an off road wreck Did you guys took take a bear roll or a tumble once

Stan Haynes :

oh I took a top that's the tumble I'm talking about it. Badlands that

Wyatt Pemberton :

Oh I thought see okay my in my mind my recollection was you guys did that at a out of out of the hammers.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah 2018 I barely finished the race because on the last obstacle coming into the finish line I did a roll there but it was a stupid road john Dawes was my co driver and I don't think he's forgiven me yet for on the last stupid hill that I'd done three times that day and we roll but I finished up and got it right it and got to the finish line in 2018 but never anything life threatening. We were always

Wyatt Pemberton :

do you think that Josh Bleiler rolled on the top of backdoor is like an ode to you like that was like him tipping his hat to the stand.

Stan Haynes :

I don't know about that. I do know that. Josh and apologia were on a little forum on Facebook. And I wonder why they put the the suffix on the group as a king and I couldn't figure out what it was either what's what's this? What do you have the king and it was all about Josh beiler and Josh, congratulations on your winner king of the hammers, but I didn't I didn't put two and two together and but I don't know you live life and with no regrets.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Absolutely.

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Wyatt Pemberton :

And then you've done some really cool stuff with Oprah for I remember seeing you guys went to you went and competed in China with them.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, thank God I'm not there now.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Oh, right. You I see you and in Terry Madden and handsome j eaten bats. I can see that.

Stan Haynes :

Oh, yeah. We It was a trip of a lifetime. I would Real awakening about another part of the world that might as well been another planet. I spent some good quality time with JT and Terry Madden. Handsome J. Dwayne garretson. But that was a real eye opening experience. We we spent about a week in the Gobi Desert, in lower Mongolia and race for this event that was put on out in the middle of the desert that pulled in. The numbers I heard was 3 million people.

Wyatt Pemberton :

I would believe it based on the pictures.

Stan Haynes :

It was just a huge, huge deal. And we were rock stars. Dwayne was number one rock star. He had a beard down to his belly and you just don't see hair on a face like that in China and he had them all going but holding babies and just doing our American deed there for the Chinese people. They're all just loving people. I hate that they're governed there. They are but you know, they're they're human beings I love every one of them

Wyatt Pemberton :

that look like just a fun experience and that's one of those Dave ideas where Dave has his crazy ideas we're gonna you know we're gonna do something crazy we're gonna go to China. Well they do they shipped a bunch of bombers over there.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, wait, we there was a bombers and I think there's a couple Japanese cars that were over there and I had a pretty fast bomber that I was racing I had it went pretty well until we went on a little exhibition and I didn't realize the bomber cars, the intakes right up front and we went into a little hot tub so to speak on a course that was full of water and my bomber swallowed up a bunch of water and ended up you know, season it up and breaking a rod and put my car out for I think another race but yeah, there were bombers. Everybody was having a blast. The last race Terry Madden stepped up and let me drive his car. For the event in front of thousands thousands of people that had never seen this stuff before. And Dave co I hats off to him and Travis brake for giving me the opportunity to do that. I'll never never forget it. Ultra fours just been huge for us. I can't say enough for the sanctioning body and the owners and you know, Jeff and Dave, really been a big part of my life.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Oh, yeah. So many of ours hell. So do you think that Dave will even after all this is said and done if there was another opportunity to send cars back to China and go back to China with ultra for you think David go?

Stan Haynes :

Oh, from the last conversations I've had with Dave No. You know, I think he was done at that time. I remember one little incident that we were invited up by. I mean, he was very important Chinese dude. But we got invited to dinner that he was like 11 stories up in the middle of Some Beijing in time of town I don't remember which time it was but had a dinner up there and it was he got stuck in an elevator partway up and the dinner It was like, What is this dinner? I think after that day pretty much decided that he was pretty much done with China. But you know, everybody changes their mind that I would think the world will straighten out enough that he would want to go back. But there's all bunch of other places that he's been going that are probably a little bit safer and just as cool as China. Portugal I've heard is like phenomenal. I talked to JT about Portugal. He said, that's probably the one you want to go to. If you're going to go across the pond and go to go to a race. I'd love to go to England. I'd love to go to Spain. I'd love to go to some of these other races, which I've met so many friends all the way from Australia to Japan. guys that have come over and raced the last race I was really proud to see team Europe pretty much come over and participate.

Wyatt Pemberton :

I mean, there's some good competitors from over there and then the ultra four guys from over there like Richard Crossland and Chris bowler and Till's. I mean there's a bunch more drew right? Just just i just i don't know i find it so fascinating that ultra for is afforded me I know it's 40 the same to build a meet cool people like this whole birds of a feather flock together, you know, like minded individuals, globally all over the world.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Go to Australia and we've got Ben Napier you know?

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, it's a it's a pretty cool thing on how this thing has evolved into being a truly world event, the king of the hammers, but in their own right, they're having races that are being put themselves in the same category for their individual countries that came the hammers has I just in kind of all of The people that I've met through ultra floor and love every one of them, and like you say, a lot of them are top shelf. They're their top shelf drivers, builders and competitors real proud to be a part of that family.

Wyatt Pemberton :

I love them all. And I love to highlight them here. I mean, I love showing you know, showing off for the world. What a what amazing folks that we have around here.

Stan Haynes :

That's right. That's right.

Wyatt Pemberton :

King of the hammers. You wouldn't know nine you went took a car out in 10 but didn't race you started racing. 11 you've raced 11 through now. You've got a bunch of finishes four or five. I think

Stan Haynes :

I've got I've got three finishers actually and what was last year and helping Jodie. I count that as a win for Brandon because I stepped out for him to step back in from 19. He he contracted cancer and his immune system was so down that he he really had his sights on set on 19 and I stepped up in 19 and said okay, I'm gonna race for you, not for him but, you know, in his place to help help him mentally and carry

Wyatt Pemberton :

the torch. And that's, and we're talking about Jodi Ford, right? That's right. Yeah. And he's that

Stan Haynes :

4860 driver 4860. He's a, he's a pretty good shoe. I'm in the car, and I will man. And this year he's, he's racing under our banner. We get back to racing, which we will, which we will, and we're really looking forward to Crandon it's going to be our first race back in the back in the saddle.

Wyatt Pemberton :

You know, I had a conversation with Dave Cole. Last week, he told me about some stuff that they want to talk about, but also I think Dave was also bored with what's going on Dave is a he's a busybody himself. And we got to talk about the the race cancellations and man I, I gave, you know, giving JT a huge credit, you know, the the day that they canceled Stampede we'd talked a couple days before that a couple times before that in the days leading up to the stampede cancellation and they talking about how much He took he had people sending him hate hate email, hate text, like calling him a pussy for canceling the race. And then then the next day, Governor Newsome, you know, limits parties to you know anything over 250 at that point now we're down to 10 people together, right? But you know, ultra for was out in front of that and they took a bunch of heat, they're now looking back. They couldn't have held it. Even if they wanted to hold the event. The hotels were closed, the restaurants were closed, who's gonna deliver the Johnny on the spots to the event, it takes a lot more to put on an event than just guys showing up with racecars. So you need all this support stuff. And I think ultra Ford did it. Absolutely. They did it right. And then when you look at Kentucky that should have been on you know, today, so Kentucky should have been a few weeks weekends ago. I mean, no choice but to kill that. I think that was the right call. But here's what I said to Dave, the way they pivoted the schedule, enrolled the new schedule out, I have nothing but the massive props to give to that organization about How they pivoted the schedule

Stan Haynes :

I think it's a it's a logistics nightmare. I'm sure Kentucky was gonna be this weekend.

Wyatt Pemberton :

It was this week and it was yeah we were right there in the fray for it.

Stan Haynes :

We were really looking forward to it Stampede I was I was disappointed too but I understood you know, especially the state that was being held in I this is probably probably not going to happen and then probably around the same time as I bet Kentucky's out and not too long after I remember I chimed in and please please ultra for let us know if quicker than hopefully very soon if you're going to go ahead and cancel and they did and and gave every all the racers enough time to let that sink in not get you know, any racers probably like we are as you're doing all nighters before the race and at least you could back off that much. And that all happened really well. So I think they did a good job. I think I think they did fantastic.

Wyatt Pemberton :

I want to circle back to Joe Ford real quick. I don't know Jody, that well I've met him in passing that this year's king of hammers but I met his brother What's his brother's name tall guy. That's Landon Landon land and that's laymen's a cool dude I like lane if Jodi's anything like laying in the butt. Jody's cancer free now and he raced this this year in you and he raced together and you guys, you guys finished this year to

Stan Haynes :

my son raced with him. Okay, Brandon Brandon waist racing. They finished 14th really a pretty much on eventful race other than they kick butt and did really, really well and really proud to get behind Jody as well as the rest of team Indiana and several other races. Jessie Haynes pitted with us. So we helped him and Justin along justice Sexton was Jesse's co driver. But yeah, that was a Brandon stepped in and co drove with Jody Jodi's normal co driver is Cory de he co drove with me last year, we think vanished and he couldn't make the race because he was having a baby. So Brandon stepped in and he went, they went shot to an inn in Las Vegas. They was gone for over two weeks. So Brandon stepped into that and did a phenomenal job and they brought it home in the daylight in 14th

Wyatt Pemberton :

did a great job when you guys are all out. So like hammers, that'd be the one of in a year you know, 10 days 10 plus days you guys are out of the shop. It just couldn't

Stan Haynes :

run everything. Well krynn tries to go every year.

Wyatt Pemberton :

We have a foreman. He takes care of Chris does a phenomenal job for us and the CNC department and he pretty much has our has our back when we're out of the shop. It is the only time of the year that Brandon and I are both out and really having to rely on our help and they do a great job. Don't miss a lick. We have plenty of work that they stay busy and know how to take the orders. If they don't Know how they'll they'll let customers know that we won't call him back. So krim tries to go over here she loves it this year she didn't make it. But hopefully next year she will. Well let's shift gears a little bit. This is the talking about branding machine itself and actually the products you produce we've kind of glossed over and glazed over and we've talked about some guys in the shop but you started the business that you run today in 2003. And what was the first products kind of you was it doing pattern work back then? And what it's moved to today because I remember being maybe there even in the mid 2000s you guys were really machining Ford superduty Yeah, unit bearings from eight lug down the six lug or eight lug down to five lug. I remember I remember that being a service that you guys were running in the early days.

Stan Haynes :

Yep, we were running 9904 unit bearings and could turn an eight lug unit bearing into a five lug Login we weren't the first to be doing it but you know we saw an opportunity to make money and did it another product that we did way back then to answer your question first is yeah we started out as a foundry tooling supplier builder pattern shop and we we did a lot of pattern work molds dyes for the cast industry but the love of the Motorsports is if we got the equipment to do it why not so another product would take Dana 60 which data 60 axles and machine out the yolks we really kind of a coordinated doing this with Jesse Haynes

Wyatt Pemberton :

you guys started pushing the envelopes for steering degrees on front ends well yeah and rear ends for guys to three steer but really started leaning them way over.

Stan Haynes :

Yep, we started machining out yokes. We we noticed that Jesse and any of the Top guys they were getting in with a die grinder and grind on their yokes to get more turnout on before you joints bind and we got with Jesse and work the whole entire day in modeling and 3d and set up in machining and then putting the yolks together a stub and I entered together and seeing how much we could get out of it and sneaking up on it with models changing the models changing the machining got to a point where we were happy with the strength is that we knew of got right at 4950 degrees out of a stock axle which normally will get between 30 and 35 degrees which really became a big advantage to the rock crawlers and really where we stuck our foot in the door with uh, with steering and in the rock crawlers and making steering and from that when high steer arms, suspension parts there on the the steering angle thing and you talk about getting high degrees of steering out of your rock crawler. I will say that the difference up we're talking about IFRS versus straight axle.

Wyatt Pemberton :

And in the racing world in the go fast world in the ultra for world and you know, for an IFRS car, your steering is the I mean you're staring in your travel numbers, they're limited by two factors CV plunge, the inboard in the outboard and CV bind. And so in a CV is built for X amount of X amount of degrees, and then the unit balls. And so you end up with limitations, either the Uniball or limitations in the CV and you only get so many degrees, right? That's right, so many degrees. And you can either take those degrees, all in travel up and down motion and not as much steering or you can kind of split it a little bit. But no matter what, it still has to add up to that degree. That's the best you can do. And so that's a limitation of an IFRS car, right? You can if you take it all in travel, that thing's gonna ride great. Right, but it's not going to steer great in the rocks in the tight spaces. Yep, solid axle you know like an Eric Miller Josh Bleiler, I'm going to use them as the example for for this discussion is the solid axle it doesn't right is great in the desert Duncan Miller has done some wonderful things where they're riding pretty good in the desert and wide open across whoops. But what puts them head and shoulders apart from the IHS guys in my book is the steering degrees. It's in their steering. And when you look at a Miller car currently, and look how far their wheels kick over on a turn, they're getting. I'm gonna say 45 degrees he may be getting 50 I don't know I should have asked him.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, that's that's the big deal.

Wyatt Pemberton :

That makes a difference getting through rock trails. It makes a huge difference getting through rock trails, if you have great great steering, you're not having to stop hit back up reverse three point turns inside the rocks when those guys are just pivoting and pure wedding around rocks with their great steering. That's something that You guys were on the forefront of putting that into the crawlers. And then they've Of course progressed into put now they're in the racers.

Stan Haynes :

That's right. It's interesting. You bring that up between the AI Fs and straight axles is we're working with a company right now and get a little bit more steering out of those AI Fs cars. I won't go any farther than that because I'm, I can't, but I like looking at things and pushing the envelope and seeing where the technology's at Is there anything else we can just massage a little bit more. And with the ipfs stuff, I am pretty sure we can get some more stirring out of IFRS cars with a with some special parts that we're partnering with a with a company and I think it's going to be happening very soon, but we're always looking at down the road a little bit and what we can make better, do better. But you're right i Fs cars before we're limited to the CV as far as turning 45 degrees. You're pushing the limits of the cage and and everything In the CV with a u joint car, we've been able to make it really close to 50 degrees. Most of the time, your limiting factor on a straight axle, car and steering are your C and knuckle heading before your u joints do or your suspension hitting the tires or your chassis getting in the way. So, to be able to get all that string out of any any car, you have to have all the right factors involved along with the axles. What I think we've been able to do is get more life out of out of a yoked axle, yoked u joint axle, just simply by keeping the U joints from binding and taking axles out has been the big benefit along with the extra steering but make an actual live longer has been a big part of that success. Also,

Wyatt Pemberton :

you're talking about u joints and it brings up something that I had in my head that I meant to actually bring up earlier that Alan Johnson over over for he had started this whole support small business thing which I think we have we have going on locally in all of our locales, like I'm, I'm trying to, you know, support the businesses around us try to buy American those kinds of things but ultra for is highlighting and doing some spotlighting of some small businesses that are involved in our community. And one being you guys and the thing that I saw out there with you guys have you guys have a new you join out or you're working I need you join. what's the what's the details on that brand new branded you that you that you're rocking?

Stan Haynes :

Well, it's 1550 and size matters with you joints. The 1550 is so much bigger. We're also building a 1550 axles that are pretty much a mirror of our 1480 legacy axles doing them in 300 M and the U joints. We started off with the axles but in my mind the building a 1550 axle with an inferior u joint was asking for an actual failure. So we started the process of making the U joints that are stronger. They're not all that different as far as process goes is, but somebody needed to come out with them. And since we have I know, at least one competitor of ours is also offering them too. But that's okay. We love competition that keeps us honest. It keeps us our value. It keeps us focused on doing things that the market will bear. And also, it pushes innovation. That's exactly right. I look at all of our competitors is pushing us to do better. I hope we do the same for them. I know. A lot of people think that we some way copy somebody else or whatever. That's, you know, I have to argue that we look at that as not really ours can do certain things that theirs can and whatnot. And that's the way we look at competition is just it just moves innovation. I love love Watching new things happen on these buggies Joe Thompson was UFO has just done phenomenal things out in California with the with the Gomez brothers and the UFO cars that I wow that stuff is really cool Jesse Haynes and what he does, you know, there's almost not a day that goes by that he's not coming up with a new idea or a new angle or some way to look at things to make it better lower center of gravity. We work with him a little bit on his portal projects, make a few parts for him and and help with that. What that's turned into for him is been really good for him. I'm planning on seeing them in June. going out to their new house and being involved in Supercross. I've been a demo Supercross since they started that new improved Supercross

Wyatt Pemberton :

you and yeah, I mean you guys support all the offer of rock sports race series. I mean, you for we rock pro rock, super crawl. Brandon is a sponsor of all those guys. I think I find that to be absolutely fascinating and good for you guys to be in there. I preach the you know, support those that support you and and hold you know hold up your your community and hold up you know your brother, man you guys do it i mean you guys walk the walk and talk to talk.

Stan Haynes :

We're proud to do it why we used to have a ad in crawl magazine back in the day when we were there in a in a in a magazine that our biggest headline across our ad was we race. I believe that being involved in racing, I've always told Brandon this I said if we're involved in racing, we're going to be number one, tuned in to where the technology's at. And what better billboard Can you show other than our name on the side of racecars with running our parts and putting them to the test and not being afraid to beat the crap out of them and we've done that from the very beginning and we will continue to do it from now on as far as I'm concerned. And Not just be a factory not just be some guy that's making a part and selling them on the interweb

Wyatt Pemberton :

Yeah, we're talking made in the USA made in Fort Wayne, Indiana by you guys. I'm gonna rattle through some of some of your products because on one hand I thought you guys in my mind misconception was that you guys mainly were just axles and maybe unit bearings. But aside from axle shafts you guys do custom spline and custom link custom materials. If you can dream it and you can scope it out and draw it you guys can make it right that's fair statement.

Stan Haynes :

Oh, yeah, we uh another thing we did for several years now that we we got involved with Unum org and Unum org axles being Unum org. Had a couple buddies I believe Doug Bigelow back in the day random we had another friend in a row he he ran Unum logs and we started making portal boxes on Yoona maga a real weak point on a on a you Among Axel a 404 humalog anyway is the portal box it's a thin cast iron casting that holds all the reduction gears and in the in the planetary for the unit mug to get their high clearance and we looked at one of these as well you know what we can stack up a bunch of laser cut plates and make a weldment out of it and make portal boxes that you cannot break and marry and those with a Unum og axles, steering axles. They're an odd odd axle if anybody's not ever seen one but we developed a 3d model of the universal axles and we're making them to this day. We don't make a lot of them but have sent them to Germany Believe it or not, that's you know where the universal came from Germany and we've sold several of them back to Germany and guys putting them in their off road you know, mugs or buggies that are running there. axles and so yeah, if you got an idea, we're happy to help you with it. And if it's something that you want to market and sell, we're happy to private label it too.

Wyatt Pemberton :

That's pretty cool.

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Wyatt Pemberton :

You guys do some some lockout. You know, I guess slug covers for four axles and I reached out to you and Brandon this is you know 2014 or 15 somewhere. I wanted some photo covers for my prerunner and I was looking for a specific thing. You guys Brandon reaches out at To me off of Facebook posts and goes easily I can make those covers for you. Will you also send me your triple nickel logo and he machine them and send them to in their own my truck today? It's the would you call it a drive slug cover? Yep, yeah. And it's got my it's got my personal triple Nichelle logo on there. It's on my truck and then I needed some special lug nuts made when I moved to a five eighths lug nut on my truck. Who do I reach out to? None other than you guys. See. I think we talked on the phone that sent you an email of exactly what the specs were that I wanted. You busted out, you know, the custom lug nuts for me it's so it's a little simple stuff like that. That it seems it seems simple. It sounds simple, but if they're not right, yeah, the wheel comes off the truck if they're not right, the wheel gets it the lug nut gets into the the wheel and and you get an interference fit and then that's that's

Stan Haynes :

not good. Yeah, you had some parameters. You had some parameters to go by there that you're not gonna find At the AutoZone or anything you know you're not gonna, you're not gonna find them and as long as we have an idea of what you want and what fits and functions as you need it, we can pretty much do that. As far as the drive slug covers, we've done a whole lot of private label drive slugs for all kinds of different people and companies that uh, we make everything here in in house, the drive slugs the caps, everything's USA material. We've got a really wide selection of drive slugs for front or rear full float rears, to just about anything on the front lockout, or lockout replacement drive slug. Another big project we're been doing for a while I had him on my racecar for five years trailing arms. I looked at trailing arms and everybody's welded amount of 4140. He created them a lot, a lot of welding time and I we started making them out of 7070 Five aluminum, we trade off a lot of welding time for some machine time but on the CNC machine once you have your program and everything there it's pretty much doing it so we traded the welding time for the cost of 7075 material and are making those at a pretty good standard pace now and they're catching on more and more to go

Wyatt Pemberton :

to those was Timmy Cameren running those on his rock bouncer.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, he's a second year he's one of our biggest promoters of trailing arms.

Wyatt Pemberton :

That was the Yeah, that was the first place I saw those arms like I didn't see him on realtor four chord that was the first place and I was like, wow, Why didn't anyone been making those prior? Like, like, we just hadn't got there? Yeah, and that's it. That's it. Those are kick ass pieces.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, now on the bouncers, Tim he's got on Todd pocket Scott um, a couple other guys have them and I know we're getting some competition on building those but you know, they got the capability to do it. Have at it. But Jimmy's he's on a second car. Now running those I just watched some YouTube videos of recently in both cars we're still rocking the rocking are trailing arms, sway bars can be runs our sway bars, sway bar arms, trailing arms, and he's a good billboard for us.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Oh, really? And those guys beat the piss out of their cars. Oh my gosh, there's there's a reason why. Cole Shirley and Madram11 has about a billion followers.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, yeah, we're not bouncers, but we're bouncer fans and a lot of those guys. I know a lot of them are run axles, sway bars, a lot of them are still running our parts and the trailing arms, man, it's like a diamond. Right?

Wyatt Pemberton :

Yeah, it was the next level. It was the next level. Yeah. Oh, man. I tune in for the train wreck. Absolutely. That's, you have to I mean, God. We found to be one. Oh man. Yeah, those guys rolling down rolling down hills. At Tim Cameron. That was the first place that I saw your trailer in arms at now, do you guys have any of those on any oh four, four cars in the field now today?

Stan Haynes :

Well, mine Yeah. And Jody Ford's running them. And soon to be there'll be some GBR cars with him.

Wyatt Pemberton :

That's what I think that was. I've heard I've heard rumor.

Stan Haynes :

How's that? Yeah, I don't I don't know what kind of cat I'm getting out of the bag. But we we've been hooked up with Joe for a little bit and doing some things for him and proud of it.

Wyatt Pemberton :

UFO design, UFO, whatever he is calling those single seat center mounted cars. Yeah, there's something else.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, they're they're top shelf for sure.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Where did the brake deal come into play? You guys got into running and building and making some very lightweight brakes? Yep. Is that still something you guys offer today?

Stan Haynes :

Oh, man. We buy a nine and a half inch by 12 foot long bar of aluminum and make a bunch of hats out of it. Yeah, we were on. I don't know how many bars with that stock we're doing but Good lightweight brakes 10 rotors wilwood calipers we offer a brake package kind of in concert with our legacy axles they fit stock knuckles and C's that's what we were shooting for with with our axles. We've developed a kingpin brake kit and bracket and everything that that bolts right up to your stock kingpin 60 and then we make them in five lug six lug and eight lug. And yeah, it's, it's turned into a real good thing for us. I'm sitting here kind of laughing to myself because

Wyatt Pemberton :

you know, you're you guys are a big supporter of this show, and a sponsor of it. And so we're gonna, there's gonna be a point where people are gonna listen to you talking, we're going to listen about your products because you guys are subject matter experts on the product but they're also going to listen to a commercial guy so like get to get slammed with some branding. That's a sorry, but also good

Stan Haynes :

is kind of one of the things that's kind of worried about doing a talent tank guys. You know, what, are we buying our way into being on the talent anchor something here and I'll clarify that.

Wyatt Pemberton :

I wanted to interview you last fall when I started. And it's funny the I have a list, I can pop up almost all the email messages, text messages of people saying, When are you going to have stain on when you're going to have Stan on Wednesday? I was like, well, I already I've already covered a bunch of Indiana folks. But absolutely you the the glue the pillar that kind of has, you know, helped team Indiana up over all these years. So that said, talking about what all the innovation you guys have done off the top of your head, what's like the three most innovative things that you can say that you can put your name on over the last 15 years promoting rock sports, like pushing the envelope is trailing arms up there one of them.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, that's a count trailing arms as being one of those things, taking stock axles and getting more turnout of turning out of them with a with Just a simple machine program that we've had the same program. I mean, it's been the same program for at least 1213 years now getting more turning out of a Dana 60 X or not so much turning, but getting life out of the axle also by keeping the U joints from binding that's been a big huge thing for us the trailing arms. Like I said, they've been on my racecar for five years and I'm I've known in my in my mind and heart that it's viable. It's good. My trailing arms are as straight as the day I we built them. I've seen so many trailing arms tweaked, and bent and broken. But at the same time, we do a whole lot of suspension links. And I've seen those broken also. So I will never say that something's unbreakable. I back in the day and it was with total respect. I would somebody would ask me Are these going to break and I said, Well, the shuttle blew up you know, it's about as more Technology there as you can get and as far as thing breaking, and there's nothing that won't break, but you just keep striving for that making it work. Another thing that we kind of proud of it's not really going anywhere anymore. But it was from start to finish in the 69 project that was dropout. 60 is kind of proud of that. It's works. But I doubt if it'll ever be a big market item for anybody our breaks.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Yeah, that's a lot. I mean, you guys have it. You guys have a large swath of products that really cater to, to what we're doing and what we're beating on our cars are the parts that we're beating on our cars.

Stan Haynes :

Yep. Another big part of what we do we we cater to diesel pullers. I know all over the No kidding. Yeah, we uh, we supply a lot of axle shafts to diesel pullers. I know that's kind of a strange port and a lot of parts of the country and our part of the world. Diesel Pauline is huge.

Wyatt Pemberton :

It's tractors, right? Most of them are tractors, tractors. And trucks.

Stan Haynes :

Okay, most of what we do for his trucks, there are 2000 horsepower diesel trucks that are strolling it down and really putting our stuff to the test and we have a couple names there that we help along Adam Holly and he's pretty much a known name and in our neck of the woods, races a Ford F 350 2000 horsepower and stone the hurt to our axles that are living and dry flanges and front axles,

Wyatt Pemberton :

you remind me of a story this is this I have to go back some years on this. I'm gonna I'm gonna say it was 20 1020 1120 somewhere in there. But when I was running out of Bonneville and I was in line behind a Cadillac vontae I believe it was and yes, these guys we get to talk and you I mean you're you're waiting in line to make your you know, 200 mile an hour pass. You know, you're you may be waiting in line a couple hours and these guys get to talking to these guys in front of us find out they were from Indiana. I think I'd asked you about this. I think they may even have been Fort Wayne guys. They are they are okay. And they were running your axles at Bonneville and their car was it was a over 200 mile an hour car. And based on the drag coefficient of the front of that Cadillac, it ended up being something of a 200 some mile an hour burnout for them. Because Yeah, that they had more horsepower and could put it down. But they hit the drag. They basically hit a wall, you know, the air at that speed becomes more of a like jumping off a bridge into water. Well, it's water well, at a certain terminal velocity. It becomes harder than concrete, or like concrete. That's effectively Yeah, you're looking at him going across what looks to be flat open air, but there is a point where the air becomes so much resistant. It's like pulling your car up to a curb and doing a burnout. But you're doing that burnout at 200 Some miles per hour and they were that was the beating that they were putting on their axles was this constant 200 plus mile an hour burnout and they were I think they were having killing tires don't that.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, but that was a lot of the wathan boys that was a father and son team they're also from Fort Wayne. And they were hooked on Bonneville it's a it's another racing area I'd like to get more into I've always admired Bonneville or, or any of the salt flat type events, but uh, yeah, their last names wathan I didn't

Wyatt Pemberton :

remember I didn't I'm not even sure if I caught their name at that point. But I remember running run it by you. And then the past that they made in front of us actually, they kind of screwed screwed the pooch for all of us. They when you have a car that has you know windshields or back glass or whatever you have to run these, these bars over in the bar still wasn't enough. The back glass the backlight, folded and punched out of the car at 200 miles an hour and scattered you Glass all over the salt. So then you know and they had to get the they spent like an hour doing clean up sweeping glass and it's not like the glass just lands in the parking stall when it gets broken into you know, it's spread over a quarter mile as it scatters down down the salt.

Stan Haynes :

All the top speed stuff is just really intrigued me, you know, when we lost Jessi combs and I just felt so bad for her and Terry and, and Jesse's family and everybody involved. I mean, she touched us all so much in the high speed stuff is definitely a hook that gets a lot of people and much respect for Jessie cones. Yeah, she she put it down.

Wyatt Pemberton :

So hey, what's what's the future for you? You're gonna race in 21? Yes, sir. Right. Your race, Kaylee 21. I'm excited to see you back in the car again, you know, just every every time you do another lap around the sun. I know you guys got some hopes for you some branding championships.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah, whether we're racing or not. Like we're champions, if anybody is on the podium that's running our stuff, and if they're running, if they're running our stickers in our billboard, you know, that's even that's even just as much I'm not really that have that much of an ego that I have to be on the on the box or not. I always have wanted to be on the box, and have been back in my younger days. But anybody that's helping support us it's on on a championship or contender for the championship is is a win for brannick in my mind and our future, I'd have to sum up all of our future into Brandon Haynes Brandon, Dino Haynes. He is a He's my main man, my rock. I don't know if you know, a whole bunch of you people out there have never worked where your dad and I'm sure that I'm a royal pain in his butt. A lot of the time but uh, what is a real blessing to me as every morning we come in and it's a new day. We have disagreements and I look forward to the the time in the future. That is what he says not me. And all

Wyatt Pemberton :

having known him for the same amount of time as I've known you. It's been very, you know, very cool to, sir really, maybe to see the shoes that he's filled and seen him growing up from a business acumen from a business minded acumen to you know, wrapping his head around the projects that you guys are bringing in the door, and in the ideas that comes out of his head. Pretty, pretty cool stuff.

Stan Haynes :

On top of all that, he's a real smart guy. He's the main or main programmer. He does all of remodeling. He is on it. We're shopping for a couple more CNCS right now, Brandon, run with it. You find out what the best thing we need. We get we're machining with some pretty old stuff. My old school mentality makes me say hey, if it's still making money, We got to keep it but his mentality is it's not efficient, it's slow. It's costing us, you know, it's costing us and I'm finding myself being able to let go of that and look at the aspect of being efficient, even though it's going to cost us and it's going to be a big chunk of money and, and really kind of hurt for a second, it's going to make itself up and he sees that a lot quicker than I do. I'm ready to get rid of some of the dinosaurs that we're we're using. The trouble is to get rid of those dinosaurs or they are still good machines as being able to get somebody that wants them. You know, I don't want to make a bunch of money out of them, but I don't want to scrap them. And sometimes that's the thing that holds up progress is holding on to the past and I'm a slowly letting go of that mentality.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Yeah, I've been moving from production to you know, the hobbyist, I guess for that equipment. You know, Michael, you know, I've got a 15 inch clausing lathe and I don't want it to be a CNC I don't want it to be I want to be this full manual because I'm only making one part at a time. But that's part of the enjoyment for me is making that singular little item. Yeah, there's some been but from a production standpoint, I think when you look at, you know, I guess globally that are at least you know, in the states that you're one of your line items of cost in your business seems roughly 37% is labor. And, and if you can make efficiencies and reduce that labor cost and increase your margin, and at the end of the day, that's going to be better for the company, if not just better for your bank accounts. But you can take that time, that you've now freed that that labor capital up and you can spin it on to a different project and a new item. I'll tell you a prime example. We're talking about this podcast for a second. This is my ability. Now that I've farmed out the editing, I've I've freed up 10 to 20 hours of my week when I'm on the weeks that we're producing the show by farming out the editing to a guy there in Indiana. So I'm supporting the local Indian economy. I love that guy named Gary. He's awesome. But what it's done is it freed me up to go approach guys like you, you and Brandon about sponsoring the show guys like Todd suffer from custom splice, sponsoring the show guys like Jason yoed with magnitude performance and in mass Motorsports, those guys it freed my time up to go talk to you guys. And then now the other ancillary benefit of that was, I have started re listening to the show. Like it used to be you and I would record and then I would edit I'd spend 1020 hours editing. So I've heard you talk a billion times I've heard me talk a billion times. And I'm done with like, in my head. I don't I can't take it anymore. Like I'm like, I've listened to it enough. I saw I would never listen into the finished product all the way through anymore. I've returned to listening to the show and oh my gosh, I some of the people that that have been on are just frickin just blows my mind how amazing some of y'all are. or all of y'all are that have agreed to really get in on this. Thank you. I couldn't I couldn't agree more.

Stan Haynes :

I'm just humbled and and honored to be walking among the A lot of my heroes that you've brought to everybody Wyatt and they're giants.

Wyatt Pemberton :

And there's so many more. I mean, there's so many they exactly I think you said giants and walking amongst we get to walk amongst them. They're just normal down to earth dudes but doing great and amazing things and making great and amazing stories every day. And there's so many of them. There's so I mean, it's when I look at my list, my target list you know, I put down I'm gonna do 12 episodes. So I put down who my 12 I think are going to be in that kind of approach within it. There's usually some little some things that move or change But during all that's going on, I love people reaching out going, Hey, you need to interview this person, hey, you need to interview that person. And some of them have been really great leads that I've ended up. You know, they weren't somebody who I was gonna go after. But yeah, that wasn't you, Stan. I got you have got a fan base. And you've got you've got a cheerleading squad. You've got I mean, so many people and it wasn't like centric to Indiana. It was on a national scale people from California to all the way to the east coast saying, Hey, what are you gonna have stand on? And so we got you. Yeah, I'm really honored with that.

Stan Haynes :

But I will say why that the talent tank out there, you're never going to be have a talent take completely fall because it's always needing fuel and you've really picked a good venue to showcase that for all my friends and those that will be my friends. I'm sure that when we meet, you'll be my friend. I I really, really Strive to never make an enemy and you're doing a great job.

Wyatt Pemberton :

I thought you're gonna be we're gonna have a problem you know because I sold you a trailer I sold you a Featherlite I sold you my old my old race trailer we meet in Texarkana, Arkansas. We met on the Arkansas side of the street, not the Texas side of the street. Yeah. And you take the trailer and you had you head on back to Indiana with it and then my cart my race car was wide enough that it would fit through the door but it like to snag the cables. The the assist on the cables, and I'd been one of those and then it tore your hand up. Like you you decide I'm going to repair it I'm going to fix it. Why me this broke trailer and you discovered what you knew, but you rediscovered what a stored energy. What stored energy can do to human flesh. Oh, it'll

Stan Haynes :

it'll. If you're not careful. it'll it'll leave a mark in it sure. Did on me. I ripped my hand open and how many stitches while there was like 15 stitches but they went like three layers deep

Wyatt Pemberton :

and bad.

Stan Haynes :

Well, it was my own dumb ass I knew about stored energy I have known about it all my life and I've known about garage doors stored energy but the way this thing was broke, I for some reason thought one side of the spring not having been wound tight would relieve the other side. Well, that's not true. They're both wound individually and I was taking the assembly apart to get straightened out about all it was with a bent axle bar cross across the headers back. Yeah, the header and I let the last bolt go and luckily I had my hand in the way of my face. And not that it would have hurt my lips any it might even add a little bit to it but it's something to the hospital and Like 15 stitches and it got me good it's probably the worst flesh wound have

Wyatt Pemberton :

ever got. I'm glad it was kind of a brain fart not like a true senior moment.

Stan Haynes :

Yeah right.

Wyatt Pemberton :

So I did I asked you what's next and it is retirement in your future. Are you one of those guys who is going to work until you die?

Stan Haynes :

I've always I've told a lot of people I'll be feet first out of here i'm sure but I want to shift gears a little bit and I love road trips and traveling. I see maybe being the spokesman that Sema and a booth someday and going to his outs and setting up booths and doing that end of it and and still promote and branding

Wyatt Pemberton :

a little windshield time with Marilyn Yeah, yeah,

Stan Haynes :

we all have our life we've talked about the motorhome and pulling a trailer and seeing the good of USA and Canada and Mexico in a motorhome and why not do it and Make a little coin doing it as far as going to events Sema, PRI all the trade shows, you know and kind of taking that lead in the in the company retirement I don't really like the word it's changed profession maybe maybe downshift a gear, right just grab a little bit lower gear. Yeah, maybe maybe up here a little

Wyatt Pemberton :

you know, but yeah, that's that's the future for us. I'm most excited about turning it over to Brandon to take 100% of it not just a smaller percentage and being the brains behind everything and may just be of support will stand. Thank you so much for for supporting me. Thank you so much for supporting the talent tank. Thank you for coming on today. I do look forward to seeing you in person every time I see you. Hopefully it's not all the way at King of the hammers next year. Hopefully we all get back to work. Hopefully we all get back to racing. Hopefully we all get back out in the field here shortly when we catch up with you but Stan, thank you for coming on. Appreciate it. Now you value your friendship and knowledge.

Stan Haynes :

Absolutely. I appreciate it a lot, Wyatt and tell all my friends out there that everybody be safe. And I look forward to seeing you guys next time to Viacom DS Viacom DS.

Wyatt Pemberton :

Yeah, wash your hands stuck up on your hand sanitizer if you can find toilet paper. Good on. Yeah. All right. Well, there was Stan Haynes branik Motorsports. We're out. I hope you guys really liked this episode. It was a really fun one to make. As usual. I really have to thank my my three partners on this custom splice, those guys if you do anything for offroad recovery or even on road recovery or any projects, please hit Todd and his crew up at a custom splice comm give them a call. machining. Whoa, my gosh, branding machines Stan and Brandon those guys over there in Fort Wayne, Indiana. They do it all if they can't make it. I don't know who can if if you need it made they will do it. Hit those go. The big supporter of the talent tank and I value their involvement. And then last but not least, magnitude performance Jason Yoad and company they're Nacogdoches, Texas and everything that they've done for for the talent tank, getting behind and supporting this, this venture in this project and everything, give them give them a call for your suspension needs. These guys do magic with springs and then the parent company mass motor sports engines and they have they have engines on lock handbill, lots of horsepower. There your guys. Thanks, guys. We'll catch you next week.

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